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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/
02/13/nbook13.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/02/13/ixhome.html

Pensioner challenges the power to penalise without trial

Two years ago, when Robert de Crittenden, a pensioner, emerged from Sandwell
council offices in the west Midlands, he was irritated to find a ?30 fixed
penalty ticket on his windscreen. He little realised he was embarking on a
battle which calls into question the legality of the entire principle of
automatic penalties, which now earn local authorities and government
departments hundreds of millions of pounds a year.

As a student of constitutional law, Mr de Crittenden was aware that under
the 1689 Bill of Rights, it is fundamental to British law that no one may be
fined or financially penalised unless they have been convicted by a court.
When he inquired into the power of traffic authorities to levy automatic
fines, he found it had been created by the Road Traffic Act 1991, in
contradiction of the Bill of Rights.

But Mr de Crittenden was also aware of the historic judgment in the "Metric
Martyrs" case in 2002, in which Lord Justice Laws pronounced that there were
certain "constitutional statutes", such as the Bill of Rights, which cannot
be set aside by subsequent legislation unless this is specifically stated.
This was crucial to the argument whereby Laws upheld the conviction of the
Metric Martyrs.

The law making it a criminal offence to sell goods in pounds and ounces was
issued under the European Communities Act 1972. But the Martyrs' defence was
that this had been overridden by the Weights and Measures Act 1985, which
authorised continued selling in non-metric measures. By ancient tradition,
when one Act says something different from another, the later Act, by the
principle of "implied repeal", takes precedence. But Laws ruled that, since
the European Communities Act was a "constitutional statute", it could not be
overridden by the 1985 Act, since this had not made the point explicit.

After conferring with the British Weights and Measures Association (BWMA)
and Neil Herron of the Metric Martyrs Defence Fund, Mr de Crittenden
concluded that, if Lord Justice Laws was right, the 1991 Road Traffic Act
could not implicitly repeal the relevant clause of the Bill of Rights,
because, as Laws stated, this was a "constitutional statute". Either the
automatic penalty system was illegal; or Laws was wrong, in which case the
Metric Martyrs should not have been found guilty.

Using this argument, Mr de Crittenden refused to pay his fine unless
Sandwell took him to court. Two years later they have still not done so. But
the significance of his challenge can scarcely be overestimated. Since his
legal argument began to be widely circulated, ever more motorists have
similarly refused to pay fixed penalties in towns all around the country -
for example in Sunderland, where Mr de Crittenden was last week given
another parking ticket, when he drove up to confer with Mr Herron in
connection with this story.

The dilemma facing councils is stark. If they obey the law as it stands,
they cannot impose parking tickets on hundreds of thousands of motorists
without taking them to court. But if they do so, the court system would
rapidly collapse. Furthermore the same applies to all the other official
bodies that have jumped on the "fixed penalty" bandwagon, such as the Inland
Revenue, which imposes an automatic ?100 penalty for a late tax return.

If all these bodies imagine that, under the Laws judgment, they have a
simple remedy - namely to rush through an Act of Parliament explicitly
overruling the Bill of Rights - Mr de Crittenden has another trick up his
sleeve. The Bill of Rights may have been enshrined in an Act of Parliament,
but the Declaration of Rights on which it was based was a contract between
the sovereign and the people. It is by that Declaration that the monarch
occupies her throne and by which Parliament enjoys its power, and it cannot
be repealed. Thus, if Laws is right, fixed penalties without conviction
cannot be legalised. Either that, or the Metric Martyrs were innocent.

Anyone wishing to know more can contact the BWMA (www.bwmaonline.com) or the
Metric Martyrs Defence Fund at PO Box 526, Sunderland SR1 3YS.

What this means is that ANY fines imposed on you WITHOUT TRIAL are illegal.

This means all those speeding fines HAVE TO GO TO COURT before you can be fined.
 

Gatso shy

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Robert de Crittenden

Robert de Crittenden

is he a relative of Frenchie..................?


I'd love to think this was a good as it sounds

and all these automatic penalties were illegal,

but somehow,

it cannot be that simple, can it ?
 

Jaws

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It is an obvious fact that given the amount of 'laws' imposed upon the population of the UK, sooner or later they would start to contradict one and other..
I think this info is worth keeping and am putting it in the download section.
 
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