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[Pow-Lo]

There’s not enough drugs in my head to comprehend how anyone can consider these bastard things safe. I’ll stick to my diesel Panzers, thanks.

Craig Phillips: TV star shaken after Jaguar brakes fail during drive

Craig Phillips describes "terrifying feeling" when brakes failed on his Jaguar I-Pace

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[andyBeaker]

There’s not enough drugs in my head to comprehend how anyone can consider these bastard things safe. I’ll stick to my diesel Panzers, thanks.

Craig Phillips: TV star shaken after Jaguar brakes fail during drive

Craig Phillips describes "terrifying feeling" when brakes failed on his Jaguar I-Pace

www.bbc.co.uk

Yes they are the spawn of the spawn of the devil - never, ever any incidents with petrol or spawn if the devil diesel cars failing.

 

[Pow-Lo]

Yes they are the spawn of the spawn of the devil - never, ever any incidents with petrol or spawn if the devil diesel cars failing.

What you seem to be overlooking is that on an EV everything, literally everything, is controlled by, um, well, electrics.

Clearly, there have been failures with gay petrol and mighty diesels, but on a pro-rata scale the failure of EVs would be on a biblical scale compared to proper engines. And before you start, pecker head, I’m talking complete, utter failures not simple breakdowns as a result of one or two components.

 

[andyBeaker]

What you seem to be overlooking is that on an EV everything, literally everything, is controlled by, um, well, electrics.

Clearly, there have been failures with gay petrol and mighty diesels, but on a pro-rata scale the failure of EVs would be on a biblical scale compared to proper engines. And before you start, pecker head, I’m talking complete, utter failures not simple breakdowns as a result of one or two components.

I would be interested to learn how the ipace brakes work - if not hydraulics then what??

i recall the same media frenzy with LPG powered vehicles when they started becoming more popular - apparently they were all on the verge of blowing up in a fireball if they hadn’t already.

 

[Duck n Dive]

Maybe this year I'll be able to pass on some personal experiences with EVs

We're due some new work vehicles and I've been advised we'll have to consider/trial EVs..

We've been mainly using Mitsubishi Shogun and Shogan Sport, but both are no longer in production.

Lately we've had a few Nissan XTrail, brought in as low mileage second hand due to a desperate need - the Shogun are dying faster than they can be fixed.

All these are diesel Autos.
The Nissan are proving a heap of trouble.

Problem is with the radios/lighting bars/multiple spot lights/transponders and other equipment we have to have a second battery on split charge.
The vehicles spend a lot of time running at slow speed/tickover with occasional bursts of speed.

Most of the vehicles are also in use 24/7/365 with the engines only switched off for around a total 3 hrs in every 24hr.

Not sure how EVs will survive?

Even if not moving we need the radios and lighting bars on all the time.

 

[Nige F]

E/V's seem to be quite popular still with company car drivers due to the low company car tax. I had to go out yesterday to deliver one and when I picked it up,there were about 50 or so lined up for delivery over the next day or so.
It's going to be what happens at the end of the lease though. As I've previously stated the auction sites are full of Polestars and Tesla's that no one wants.
Even high end stuff is taking a hit. I was talking to a customer who bought a Porsche Taycan 2 years ago for £126,000. He was offered £46 grand at Porsche on a trade in for a new car last week!

 

[Lee337]

A couple of our new 'stopper' cars are EVs. they're being evaluated to see if we can ditch the petrol stoppers. We've had them for 2-3 months now & while there was a lot of hype around them when we first got them, it's all gone very quiet. As per Govt. guidelines, all our cars are due to be swapped out for EVs over the comming years.

We also have a lot of Kia C'eed hybrids, replacing good old Astra diesels. The Vehicle techs are up in arms, the old diesels got a good 70-80mpg while the Kia's are lucky to get close to 40mpg. Another of my colleagues had an EV as a hire car. He had a meeting in Birmingham but was nearly 3 hours late as he had to stop to charge up after around 120 miles. His total journey was 135 miles one way, which the hire co said the car should do easily. It didn't. He dropped the hire car off at the Birmingham branch & swapped it for a petrol car to get home.

 

[DLN1965]

We hired a Polestar 2 on our holidays last year in Germany
We had constant range anxiety …driving any distance was far more challenging than petrol or diesel .
And finding a charger which wasn’t in use AND more importantly would accept my U.K. debit /credit cards was a nightmare !!!
One day I had 5 attempts trying to charge the car, each time the charger blocked €100 in my account (money released 48 later …when I couldn’t charge the car)
Nice car, very smooth and quick !
BUT !!!!
NO …. DEFFO Not for holiday touring !!

Hoping to stick with petrol and diesel cars for as long as I can !!

 

[Squag1]

We hired a Polestar 2 on our holidays last year in Germany
We had constant range anxiety …driving any distance was far more challenging than petrol or diesel .
And finding a charger which wasn’t in use AND more importantly would accept my U.K. debit /credit cards was a nightmare !!!
One day I had 5 attempts trying to charge the car, each time the charger blocked €100 in my account (money released 48 later …when I couldn’t charge the car)
Nice car, very smooth and quick !
BUT !!!!
NO …. DEFFO Not for holiday touring !!

Hoping to stick with petrol and diesel cars for as long as I can !!

Volvo to cut Polestar funding

Volvo has announced that will stop funding Polestar and is planning to reduce its shareholding in the company.

www.fleetnews.co.uk

 

[Minkey]

I know someone who has a EV Mercedes as a company car, the new price is £80,000 sell on price 6 months later with low mileage £40,000 now that's depreciation

 

[Squag1]

I know someone who has a EV Mercedes as a company car, the new price is £80,000 sell on price 6 months later with low mileage £40,000 now that's depreciation

Is it even a bargain????

 

[Pow-Lo]

As most of you know, Mrs P works for quite a large airline. A lot of the pilots bought Teslas and a number of those were on a PCP; when the three year period is up, there’s bugger all equity in them because no one wants second hand EVs.

I really am hoping the bastard things die a death.

 

[Pow-Lo]

E/V's seem to be quite popular still with company car drivers due to the low company car tax. I had to go out yesterday to deliver one and when I picked it up,there were about 50 or so lined up for delivery over the next day or so.
It's going to be what happens at the end of the lease though. As I've previously stated the auction sites are full of Polestars and Tesla's that no one wants.
Even high end stuff is taking a hit. I was talking to a customer who bought a Porsche Taycan 2 years ago for £126,000. He was offered £46 grand at Porsche on a trade in for a new car last week!

Mate of mine’s company was bought out last year by an American outfit. He always has fairly high end company cars (couple of Audi TTs, S Q5, Porsche Macan) but the yanks are now insisting they have EVs.

 

[andyBeaker]

As most of you know, Mrs P works for quite a large airline. A lot of the pilots bought Teslas and a number of those were on a PCP; when the three year period is up, there’s bugger all equity in them because no one wants second hand EVs.

I really am hoping the bastard things die a death.

I’m genuinely interested…what is your alternative? We can’t go in suffocating the planet by burning fossil fuels.

Don't trot out the fabulously flawed ‘but but but electricity comes from coal/gas burned at power stations’ as that is changing quickly, albeit not as quickly as the planet needs.

 

[Duck n Dive]

It's not just fossil fuels though is it?

It's all the limited resources of the planet that we're working our way through.

Meanwhile the current oil producing states are using their wealth to buy up the rest or the world and China is also busy buying and stockpiling the natural raw resources from its neighbours - as well as buying up the rest of the world's real estate/companies.

Once the oil/gas/raw materials run out/low the rest of the world will simply bow to its new masters.

The last to fall will likely be the USA as it blithely chews through its own resources believing its the strongest.

Look at what is shaping current conflicts around the world - it's positioning for control of natural resources.

All civilisations/empires go through a rise, stability, decline and then fall. The earth is going through the decline right now.


Cheers up though, crufts is on today

 

[Cougar377]

The Flux capacitor....that's the answer.

 

[Jaws]

I’m genuinely interested…what is your alternative?

Hydrogen
The oft touted 'but there is no infrastructure' argument is fatally flawed for two reasons

1) There was no infrastructure for petrol at one time but it seems to have made out... In fact it was mostly in place after 14 years

2) After 15 years the charging system world wide is still woefully inadequate.. In fact there are vast areas of Africa and Asia that has ZERO charge points
Even in the most desolate areas of the world you can get petrol ( often in old milk bottles )

I agree something will HAVE to happen and I am not clever enough to know what.. perhaps electric is the future, but current tech is no where NEAR good enough to meet the average motorists needs
Too many folk live away from a suitable pl;ace for a personal charger ( high rise etc , or like me in a house a long way from where a vehicle can get to )
Until we see all garage forecourts equipped with at least as many charge points as they have pumps EV is not a prictical solution

One final point.
I raise my hat to those who have gone EV already.. they are the pioneers and should be saluted not berated as we are learning from their misery

 

[andyBeaker]

Hydrogen
The oft touted 'but there is no infrastructure' argument is fatally flawed for two reasons

1) There was no infrastructure for petrol at one time but it seems to have made out... In fact it was mostly in place after 14 years

2) After 15 years the charging system world wide is still woefully inadequate.. In fact there are vast areas of Africa and Asia that has ZERO charge points
Even in the most desolate areas of the world y7ou can get petrol ( often in old milk bottles )

I agree something will HAVE to happen and I am not clever enough to know what.. perhaps electric is the future, but current tech is no where NEAR good enough to meet the average motorists needs
Too many folk live away from a suitable pl;ace for a personal charger ( high rise etc , or like me in a house a long way from where a vehicle can get to )
Until we see all garage forecourts equipped with at least as many charge points as they have pumps EV is not a prictical solution

One final point.
I raise my hat to those who have gone EV already.. they are the pioneers and should be saluted not berated as we are learning from their misery

You rightly highlight the real issue with EVs - it is not the cars/vehicles, it is the infrastructure.

Ii have had a couple as courtesy cars and they have been brilliant….but I only needed them to get to and from the dealers and a bit of local running round….no need to worry about charging.

If I could justify a second car it would be a small EV for local stuff…which is about 90% of my journeys….yes, it makes no sense….

Plus I would probably slap another dozen or so solar panels on the West facing roof and another couple of storage batteries to charge it.

 

[Duck n Dive]

The EV "problem" is not the motors as such, or the vehicles themselves, though maybe efficiency will/could improve.

It's the storage system. That's what causes the range limits and slow recharge.

 

[Lee337]

The way speed limits are going down across the country and road tax is going up, I think what powers our vehicles is a moot point. Give it a few more years, when the Govt. introduce a red flag walker in front of vehicles & everyone is reduced to electric driverless public owned vehicles or walking as the faster way of getting around, we'll look back at EVs with some nostalgia.

Private motor vehicles will become limited to the rich/famous for exclusive use on private roads/tracks. Hopefully I won't be around to see it, but I suspect it's coming quicker than most people think.