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After the Falklands war

derek kelly

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HMS Hermes (my old ship) paid a goodwill visit to France, several thousands of pounds worth of damage was caused to bars after several fights broke out between Hermes crew & locals, the cause of the fights, the French taunting the sailors over the success of the French exocet missiles against British warships
 

slim63

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I sincerely hope you were there & cracked some froggie heads ?
 

Cougar377

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There are conflicting stories regarding the part the French played in the war. I've read that their technicians in Argentine were doing everything short of outright sabotage, to prevent the Argies from making greater use of the Exocet. Diplomatic pressure from Nato, and in particular, the Yanks helped them find their "conscience".

While we were waiting to return to the UK, after it was all over, a few of us persuaded a Chinook crew to pick up the tail of a Dagger that had been shot down and crashed in the hills.
When we got it back we decided to cut out the areas of skin on both sides, that displayed the unit badge, as gizzits for the squadron crew room. While taking my turn to cut through the skin with a hammer and chisel that the farmer at Port San Carlos lent us, I noticed that there was another badge underneath. After a lot of scraping with the chisel we eventually uncovered an Israeli Air Force training squadron insignia.
After a lot more scraping we then revealed it's IAF aircraft number. On our return to the UK, one of the lads (who was a bit of an aircraft spotter) did a bit of research and we came to the conclusion that it had been hurriedly resprayed and flogged to the Argies during the conflict.
This was eventually widely reported in the press and predictably the Israelis denied it, saying that they were sold prior to the war. Although this was true, the aircraft number proved that this particular aircraft had still been registered as being on the Israeli Air Force inventory during the war.
I always wondered how many other back door arms deals were done at that time between Argentina and countries unknown.
 

Squag1

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Going on all the time I believe, "legal" and illegal.
 

JayTee

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Arms trade, probably the most corrupt and immoral in the world.
But it’s the money that talks every time.
 

derek kelly

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Unbelievably we sold arms to the Taliban & are probably still selling arms to isis.
 

slim63

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Arms trade, probably the most corrupt and immoral in the world.
But it’s the money that talks every time.

The thing that most people don't realise its not just some dodgy backstreet character doing the dealing its governments worldwide ours & the US being the worst for interfering with the running of many countries & supplying enough arms to overthrow the governments of those countries & i'm not just talking about some tin pot backwards country either
 
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slim63

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Unbelievably we sold arms to the Taliban & are probably still selling arms to isis.

Old news, we supplied millions of £ worth of arms & also provided training through the back door, the Russians are still doing the same across the world now & it wouldn't supprise me if we were as well
 

Dangerous Brian

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Just the same in the first Gulf war. Some of the minefields were easy to clear because they were British mines that we had sold/gave to Iraq when they were 'good guys'.
However the 3rd gen mines, really high tech and non-blast susceptible were Italian. So do you think our NATO pals would give us any information on these mines.......
 

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Rolls Royce supplied the engines for the first Me109s.....
 

JayTee

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The thing that most people don't realise its not just some dodgy backstreet character doing the dealing its governments worldwide ours & the US being the worst for interfering with the running of many countries & supplying enough arms to overthrow the governments of those countries & i'm not just talking about some tin pot backwards country either

Life long old mate was in the R.C.T. In 1982 and was delivering supplies to Southampton docks as part of the build up of the task force, upon getting there was held up by a queue, when he enquired why, a docker explained they were having a protest at loading a certain ship with a certain cargo, when pressed about the cargo it transpired to be 7.62/51 NATO calibre ammunition made in the Cheshire ordnance plant of Radway Green bound for Argentina.
The deal was obviously still going ahead.
It didn’t make the papers strangely enough.
 

slim63

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Life long old mate was in the R.C.T. In 1982 and was delivering supplies to Southampton docks as part of the build up of the task force, upon getting there was held up by a queue, when he enquired why, a docker explained they were having a protest at loading a certain ship with a certain cargo, when pressed about the cargo it transpired to be 7.62/51 NATO calibre ammunition made in the Cheshire ordnance plant of Radway Green bound for Argentina.
The deal was obviously still going ahead.
It didn’t make the papers strangely enough.

That's fecking disgusting :mad:
 

Duck n Dive

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It goes on all the time...

I'll tell you a story, are you sitting comfortably.....

Way back in the early 80s I worked at Heathrow for an airline. I worked in the cargo area.
This airline handled both Iran Air (from the days when the Shah was in power) and also provided handling to El-Al. Iran Air actually rented some of our office space in the cargo centre.

It was normal practice when the El-Al 747F from the USA arrived for their own security folks (fit young chaps in civies all with a holdall over the shoulder) to get off and walk around the aircraft throughout.

If the Iran Air 747F happened to be around at the same time it was normally parked a few stands away and neither party seemed pleased!!

Suddenly, for some weeks it was "required" that the two were parked side by side. When the El-Al arrived it's security team surrounded both aircraft!!!

Cargo then moved from the El-Al from the US onto the Iran Air about to head off to Theran.

I think a certain Ollie North knew what was going on.

At the time all we knew was it was very odd that two groups who were normally "daggers drawn" with the dirty looks at each other suddenly wanted to be next door.

Interestingly, while from time to time we'd see Heathrow police around the cargo centre from time to time, never saw them while the El-Al freighters were around.
 

Cougar377

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It goes on all the time...

I'll tell you a story, are you sitting comfortably.....

Way back in the early 80s I worked at Heathrow for an airline. I worked in the cargo area.
This airline handled both Iran Air (from the days when the Shah was in power) and also provided handling to El-Al. Iran Air actually rented some of our office space in the cargo centre.

It was normal practice when the El-Al 747F from the USA arrived for their own security folks (fit young chaps in civies all with a holdall over the shoulder) to get off and walk around the aircraft throughout.

If the Iran Air 747F happened to be around at the same time it was normally parked a few stands away and neither party seemed pleased!!

Suddenly, for some weeks it was "required" that the two were parked side by side. When the El-Al arrived it's security team surrounded both aircraft!!!

Cargo then moved from the El-Al from the US onto the Iran Air about to head off to Theran.

I think a certain Ollie North knew what was going on.

At the time all we knew was it was very odd that two groups who were normally "daggers drawn" with the dirty looks at each other suddenly wanted to be next door.

Interestingly, while from time to time we'd see Heathrow police around the cargo centre from time to time, never saw them while the El-Al freighters were around.
Ah Ollie North. The Memory Man.
 

Cougar377

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Life long old mate was in the R.C.T. In 1982 and was delivering supplies to Southampton docks as part of the build up of the task force, upon getting there was held up by a queue, when he enquired why, a docker explained they were having a protest at loading a certain ship with a certain cargo, when pressed about the cargo it transpired to be 7.62/51 NATO calibre ammunition made in the Cheshire ordnance plant of Radway Green bound for Argentina.
The deal was obviously still going ahead.
It didn’t make the papers strangely enough.
Well there was loads of it lying around by the time the final whistle blew. :D
 

JayTee

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Well there was loads of it lying around by the time the final whistle blew. :D

It really is quite a thing to get your head round is it not? He came out the mob in 83 and lived in Farnborough, we would get together at Bisley camp once a year at a massive international pistol meeting, in 85 he and his missus split up and I found him in quite a poorly state, persuaded him to come back to live with me in his old town for a while, he got his head together sorted everything out and is now settled and happy with his second wife.
He told me this tale one night we were out having a drink, he is not one to invent or embellish anything so have no reason to doubt it.
 

DEG5Y

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HMS Hermes (my old ship) paid a goodwill visit to France, several thousands of pounds worth of damage was caused to bars after several fights broke out between Hermes crew & locals, the cause of the fights, the French taunting the sailors over the success of the French exocet missiles against British warships
Are you sure the trouble wasn't started by the poor parcel deliveries?
 
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