90, 42, 28 or 14 Days?

[roXXo]

I agree in sentiment Roxxo, but being only human the police and Judiciary are not infallible, would it give more scope for rigging evidence? I don't have the answers, we all want a better legal system, we all agree it is not perfect, but can it be improved? or is this as good as it gets?

Things never stand still Derek. The world changes and laws have to be adapted to cope with the changes. They have to be constantly reviewed and improved so they are as good as they can be at the time to combat criminals.

If things hadn't changed,"Crippin" wouldn't have been caught (using new wireless technology) and we would still be sending 14 year old boys to an Australian penal colony for stealing an apple pie.

Last year in the Lincoln Prison Museum I was reading a list of crimes and punishments from the 1850s. I think that had we been alive then, you and I may well have been hanged or transported!
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[Murt]

I don't normally get involved in 'law' debates but this one has me amazed!

Some of the replies appear to have been made by people who have in fact been arrested, kept in custody for a week, beaten to within an inch of death, then thrown out of the back door of the nick without even being told off for an offence. I think not....

The REASON that 90 days is needed is....
When 'some people' are arrested, Police already have a bloody good idea that they have spent the last couple of YEARS planning to blow YOUR granny, YOUR kids, YOUR Wife, YOUR friends all over the inside of an underground train carrage, bus, or pub.

BUT..........They have to obtain proper evidence.... At present they have less than two weeks to process, interview ( letting the nice suspect have at least 9 hours unbroken rest each night, have breaks whenever the person wants to pray, eat drink, visit the loo or take further private advice from the solicitor.). That is if they will speak at all. In that time they have to get the 'teccies' or scientists to search houses ( The house of the 'suspect' bomber in London than dumped his 'alledged' rucksack bomb took two weeks to ENTER before it could be searched it was so dangerous ( allegedly).

Then they have to check things like computer records. ( The computer of one of the Madrid Bombers ( and I can say that cos he blew himself up the day the police called to re arrest him after he was 'bailed' taking 5 innocent people in the flat next door with him) was removed from the flat that he had been using, it took TWO months ( 63 days in fact) to go through the info on it and find the hint of evidence they needed to find out where the bomb factory was, and they were lucky as they still had another laptop's memory to go through. they worked out he had already made 8 other rucksack bombs ready for some more 'minor offences' of atomising people.( but he blew them up instead of opening the door to the nice Constable).

Do you Honestly think that, knowing how high profile 'terrorism' law is in the world the police will use this bit of the law to keep you in custody for upsetting the tosser next door, speeding, even arguing in public about the government ?

No of course not, they have much crappier things to do like deal with chavs, hoodies, and friggin 10 year old kids who tell their perents to fuck off and push past them when they are taken home for smashing a phone box up !

The old bloke who was 'arrested' at the Labour party meeting was actually 'arrested' by private security men inside the hall, and ejected ( and I fully agree, he was treated dreadfully and it goes to show how crap the 'government' are at people skills.) Outside the hall he repeatedly attempted to enter the hall again, Police were called to him ( from outside the vestibule) and he still argued and was arrested under The Terrorism Act ( NOT the prevention of terrorism act) due to most of the government being inside the hall the Police attending were told he had disrupted the meeting and threatened the PM.. he was realeased after 5 minutes when they found out what had ACTUALLY gone on inside, and the two arresting officers have in fact been served with disciplin papers after a complaint was made by a third party ! ( not even the man who they arrested but someone who only saw the bit on the telly).

If 'suspected' terrorists are released whilst enquiries are made, things tend to dissapear, get cleaned, and people also, sometimes leave the area and use a different name, just not British is it.

Yes Coppers are bent, spend most of the day stitching people up, and when fed up give an OAP a good kicking for speeding.
Some of the ' my mate said.. or a bloke at work.. above make me wonder. Is it the police who are doing wrong, or the people who are giving out the story of wrongdoing? ( with disclosure rules, PACE, and taped, video, and computerised records of every movement, people ARE NOT interviewed without knowing why, or what they are suspected of.) More to it methinks ( Derek )...

As some of you are aware, I have recently been 'close' to theaftermath of some of these innocent people.

Its UP TO 90 days.... not a fixed 90 days. let the Police use it to save life.

Murt

 

[roXXo]

Well put Murt.

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[gypsy]

Yes Coppers are bent, spend most of the day stitching people up, and when fed up give an OAP a good kicking for speeding



still getting job satisfaction then Murt ?

 

[Murt]

Oh yes mate, you just can't get a good knuckle duster that fits the hand these days, and getting the blood off my boots is such a chore. :t

Still, it beats paperwork hands down.

Murt.

 

[ianrobbo1]

HEh!! :} your right Roxxo, your method does work!! :bow:

 

[derek kelly]

people ARE NOT interviewed without knowing why, or what they are suspected of.) More to it methinks ( Derek )...

I think you misunderstood what I was saying, He knows what the alleged offence is (we don't) he was told by his solicitor and the police (his son is a policeman) that the offence is minor and was only made an offence in 2004. the police first questioned him in April, it just appears draconian that he and his family are being put through Months of uncertainty, being told "yes you are going to be charge, well were not sure whether we are going to charge you" and "we may give you a Police caution" or "We are going to the CPS".
I talk to him regularly and at times he has felt suicidal he has three years left until retirement but is unsure about his future, if he has committed an offence and I know that ignorance is no excuse then charge him and let him know what his future is, don't torture him and his family surely if they haven't got sufficient evidence within 7 months for a minor offence they should drop the case.

As regards anti terrorism laws I wasn't expressing and opinion I was merely putting forward a point of debate, personally I think the police are in a no win situation as the case of the shot Brazillian proves.

My own dealings with the police have been aired on here and to be honest the ones that I have dealt with in their professional capacity have been shambolic, the only understanding one I have dealt with was a special constable. I am not stupid enough to think that this is a true reflection of our police forces but more a reflection of some individuals who slip through the net.

 

[Murt]

Derek,
Spot on, I did in fact get the wrong end of the stick so I apologise about that bit.

I fully understand that we all have different ideas about the same subject, and of course, that's a good thing, but SOME ( and not your) entries could be read into if you know just how difficult it is to 'keep someone in custody', and don't add up.

I was in a custody office in London recently, and I had to write my notes up, and do a statement before I left the room, under a cctv camera that views the table, then they were put in a machine and time / date stamped. But while all this was going on.. ( about an hour) the poor woman who had been assaulted, had to hang around before giving her statement.
The scumbag who had been arrested, in the meantime, had been given a meal, seen a free solicitor, and been allowed to have a free 15 minute telephone conversation with 'his dad' in Scotland, he didn't want to tell him he was locked up... no... he knew the rules, so used the call to talk to family he hadn't seen for a while!

In interview ( again recorded on cctv, and tape with his FREE solicitor present) he said his hand had slipped and gone up the womans skirt and tried to move her pants to one side by accident ( she was stood up on a busy train not much chance to get away)

Dispite an independent witness, the woman being more than willing to attend court, and the bloke having previous for assault, CPS were spoken to ( after queueing for about half an hour to see them) and refused to allow charges of sexual assault, but only common assault ( sec 39 for the lads..) .
He was given bail. (Even though he lived in Aberdeen). and didnt attend Court.

Now, will someone tell me...

Did the law work for the innocent woman..

Or for the person ( who is obviously innocent until proven guilty) who was arrested ???

And Yes... some Police officers are total knobs, but not all of them.

Murt.





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