24 hr drinking

[gypsy]

Sod the managers then or is it ok now the buck is passed .
Ring the HSE they have to make enquiries and it may get a few worried managers .
Your duty of care to yourself and others went out of the window by drinking excessively knowing you had an early start , but chasing the mighty pound more than justifies anything to some

 

[BlackBirdBaz]

I had a similar scenario a few years ago when an officer was regularly drinking at lunch times (Ex Navy, say no more) and coming back the worse for wear.

So what I did was to go to the orderly officer and told him to 'detail' me some work somewhere else as I wasnt prepared to put MY health and safety at risk by working with an officer that had been drinking and if he didnt find me another job I would personally hold him responsible if due to his negligence I was assaulted.

I didnt get re-detailed
But the other officer was escorted from the establishment as being 'unsuitable for work' and sent home sick !!!

Baz

 

[derek kelly]

Can't argue Ed, I hold my hands up and admit my irresponsibility, however I did learn from my experience,
I have had words with several individuals who have turned up for work worse for wear, and let them know in no uncertain terms my displeasure, I & other colleagues have even asked managers to have words with people, but we would get more reponse from hitting our heads against a brick wall, I suppose contacting HSE could be a solution but then there is the problem of access to the Prison by which time all staff would have been notified that they were coming and any pissheads would be out of the way.

 

[gypsy]

The HSE wont act that qickly Dreek but they have to act and they will be heard up above .And if a governer gets a round of fucks off his superior you can bet it will filter down .It may take time these things always do but i have found out many a time on site that just having their number on my mobile gets things done .

 

[Artemis]

Didn't Landlords used to refuse to sell any more alcohol to those that were drunk?
Can Landlords be prosecuted for selling alclhol to those in no fit state?

The law states that it is illegal to create a drunk, permit a drunk to enter a licensed premises or to sell alcohol to a drunk. That said, as a licencee, it is often difficult to abide by these laws. Technically, you can't even throw a drunk out, in case he comes to harm, but then again, you shouldn't have let him/her in in the first place, or allowed him/her to become drunk in your licensed premises. The only way to comply with all the laws is to ensure the drunk gets to his/her home, but most taxis won't take a drunk.

The answer to this quandary has in the past meant calling an ambulance and stating that you believe the person to be under the influence of drugs, also. (We've never resorted to this since our worst drunk lived next door, but many city landlords have, so I'm told.)

Re the new licensing hours, as stated earlier, there is a hell of a rigmarole to go through to vary the existing hours. I know, I've just done it for OGRI MCC. And you also will have to hold a licence, with set licensing hours, for food service and any form of entertainment, not just for selling alcohol.

However, OGRI have been informed that the variations we applied for will be granted in full, which means that we can open for all the usual times, but at weekends we can serve alcohol/food/entertainment from Friday 11am straight through to Sunday 11pm, and August Bank Holiday from Friday 11am to Monday 11pm! Result, or what?

Mind you, who's going to object to a nice civilised club full of hairy bikers? Actually, it's more because no-one lives on the airfield the clubhouse is on, and no-one leaves until Sunday anyway, as they just fall into/are carried to the tents they pitched on arrival, ready to start again upon waking. No Problem!

 

[SILVERONE]

24 hr drinkin

''not much change there then'' :blush:

But what really worries me is:- will I have to change seats when the cleaners come in :dunno:

 

[Duck n Dive]

At various times I have refused to allow peeps to board an aircraft and also sent peeps home from work for being "a possible hazard to safety".... managers (and all employees) have a duty to act in such circumstances.
You do not have to prove that someone is drunk.... just that you hold the genuine belief that they would be a potential hazard.
It's usually wise to ensure you get at least one other person to have arrived at the same conclusion as you independantly.... i.e. don't ask them "do you think they're drunk" but say "go and have look at this person and tell me what you think".

Employers do not have to provide the legal proof of guilt (i.e. beyond reasonable doubt) only that they have reasonable cause to belief something is the case. This will be sufficient for an employer to win at an employment tribunal.

 

[Wolfie]

We'll never see Orms again.............ever :B

so what is the downside?????

 

[Duck n Dive]

Going back to the start where it was said that landlords shouldn't sell to folks who can hold it or are drunk.

Are we certain that's what we want????

So car dealers shouldn't sell to folks who speed?

I'd suggest the problem is that for some reason UK society just seems to be immature. Society as a whole is acting like an irresponsible kid.... so we get the nanny state sorting everything by laying down "strict boundaries". So we continue not to grow up and take responsibility for our actions.

The only person who can really control drinking to excess is the one with the throat the beer flows down.:dunno:

 

[Oldbull]

Was reading an article last night on the dangers of heavy drinking...
Scared the shit out of me!!!
so thats it, after tonight no more fuggin reading..:yo:c7u8

 

[Wurley]

The answer to this quandary has in the past meant calling an ambulance and stating that you believe the person to be under the influence of drugs, also.

Typical, I thought it was still an offence to be drunk and incapable, if so call the police, but they don't want to know just in case the fcuk wit chokes on their own vomit and dies in custody then they would really be in a world of shit %$fan . So what happens call an ambulance, we take them to casualty and then A&E ends up full of pissed up cnuts uke: everywhere and abusing all the staff .

Just remember this the next time any of you are unfortunate to be in A&E, because the unconscious drunk twat will be taking up a bed, a doctor and a nurse, the ambulance you might need on the hurry up will be busy up picking up another drunk :wank: .

Excellent that has just made my day thypin that, looking forward to my next run of night shifts now :xm

Wurley :neenaw:

 

[AlexBlack]

drinky drinky

I have to agree Duck N Dive (D 'n' D - very ironic) at the end of the day, people ought to be able to take responsibility for how much they drink. However, you need to go over the top at least once to know where your limits are. Also, once you have drunk so much, you just carry on drinking (I suffer from this!!) and end up doing stupid stuff!!

I do think Landlords should be prepared to not serve people that are "too" pissed though. I reckon, once the inevitable initial binge has gone on people will want to slow down and it may well have a positive effect on how we act when drunk. We had a very late license on new years eve this year and it was a realy nice atmosphere. People didn't mind waiting at the bar for 20 minutes to get served cos they knew they had all night. We didn't chuck it down our necks in order to "get drunk" by 11 o'clock so people were much more in control of how drunk they got. And finally, at late o'clock in the morning after everyone had been drinking for a long time in a relaxed environment, even the local idiots couldn't be arsed to start trouble!!

Not sure releasing these new laws just before Christmas is the right move though!!!

Oh and on the work/drink debate, every job I've ever had has it in the contract that it is considered to be Gross Misconduct to be under the influence of alcohol/non-prescription drugs at work.... although we go for a pint at lunchtime sometimes... technically this constitutes GM and therefore we could get the sack for it... definitely no need for a doctors opinion!!

 

[eyebrows]

my 2p worth on each

Drinking at work. I work in theatre, traditionaly accepted as having a "drinking culture", I have spent the last few years trying to get people to drink in a responsible manner whilst at work, on occaisions I have sent people home or refused them entyry to work for "behaving in a manner that may put others at risk" with pay pending an investigation the following day, in nearly all cases, the following day dawned with 20-20 hindsight, an apology from the "drunk", pay deducted (by mutual agreement) and off we went again. 6 months ago the company I work for introduced a zero tolerance on alcohol, before or during working hours, when you join the company you sign an agreement to abide by the ban, you come in smelling of alcohol, you go home. QED.


Secondly - drinking and violence/anti-social behaviour. Listenng to various copper/ambulance staff chinwagging, most violence occurs at Taxi ranks over q jumping or in kebab/pizza and other fast food places on chucking out time, so, stop taxis operating after 10.45, have all food outlets closed at 10.45!!

Therfore, make the feckers walk home hungry, keep their mind on walking and the fry up when they get in and off kicking shit ouit of some innocent, also, lazy feckers probably start drinking in their local, leaving the city/town centres for the nice people.