Why the change of tune?

[Crazy Train]

Baffling to see a change of tune regarding mass migration in the media.

I thought this country welcomed mass migration, and to dare to oppose it was highly racist.

8rfl@

 

[Centaur]

Changed when we started to get "swarms" of them, CT. 8rfl@

 

[Barrie]

The French have been known for their use of water canon, why are they not using them?

 

[DLN1965]

The French have been known for their use of water canon, why are they not using them?

Think they sold them to a No10 Downing Street pretender ... Boris ????:dunno:

 

[Boggymarsh]

i haven't read the papers but I have seen the mob of reporters who have set up camp on the escarpment overlooking the Channel Tunnel all watching and waiting for their scoop of the day.

I have also spent God knows how many hours this past month speaking with, searching and processing the migrants who have come off the shuttles. Last night I did a 12hr shift and tonight I'm back in for another 12 shift. I'm then back for another 3 shifts after that doing the same thing. I go out in clean laundered uniform and come home stinking of a mix of wood smoke, stale BO and smelly feet encased in wet trainers. The smell sticks to you like glue and even after a good scrub in a hot shower it's still there. My uniform is going through a constant cycle of being worn, washed, dried, worn, washed, dried.

I have seen their hunger, I have seen their injuries ,their rotting feet, their fear and desperation, I have seen their relief and their gratefulness. I have heard their stories, I have heard of their journeys and of the mistreatment at the hands of other human beings... and this is the thing. These men, women and children are HUMAN BEINGS who live on the same planet Earth that we do and I ask myself, and I ask everyone else, what right do we have say they shouldn't be able to come here to live their lives?

I can honestly say that I would far rather be dealing with these people than many the scum who riddle our society and that I have had to deal with in my years of service. The same scum who I have seen in and out of custody, the same scum who wreak havoc on our local communities every day.

I can also tell you, that I have not yet witnessed anything but these people being treated with kindness and dignity by my fellow colleagues who I have been working with.

You are all entitled to your thoughts and views but maybe what I have told you here might make you think of things in a different light.

Ride safe, everyone.

 

[noobie]

It would seem as long as France thought it was a Brtitish problem they didn't care but now people are dying on French soil when decent French attention would stop most of this . Also with all the tv crews being there, almost all of those interviewed said, we want free housing, free education, Free medical, and the English will look after us. Up until now the tree hugging liberals have tried to gloss over this but now it is very much the open to the public as our very own elephant in the room.

As much as France hates us, losing millions in trade towards the u.k. from both France and Germany I suspect Merkel jan stumpenfurher has told Hollande in no certain terms, get it sorted

These are economic migrants and nothing more. We can barely manage the legal migrants from within the eu, without illegal economic migrants too

Of course I have sympathy for them, but I did not force them to leave where they came from, I did not force them to go through several SAFE countries to get to Calais, and I haven't got several thousand pounds spare in the u.k. so question how they have found it for the people smugglers.

But above all why is it everyone else's fault? These people have to take some responsibility for the mess they are in and the choices they are making.

 

[Barrie]

Fine words and sentiments Boggy but look at the bigger picture. Where are these people going to live? Where are they going earn a living? Knowing where they come from, how long will it be before they start telling us how we should comply with their beliefs and culture? This country is overloaded with benefit seekers already, how are we supposed to cater for all these people?
It says a lot about how soft this country has become when these people are not satisfied to stay in any other European country, they make a bee line for good old benefit street.

 

[Codbasher]

The bigger picture is the holiday makers having holidays ruined, the lost revenue to the Haulage industry with vehicles carrying our export out, being stopped from going about a lawful business, loads of fresh produce being dumped etc etc.


Shoot the feckin lot of em, and let em bugger off elsewhere, England is closed.

 

[Crazy Train]

These men, women and children are HUMAN BEINGS who live on the same planet Earth that we do and I ask myself, and I ask everyone else, what right do we have say they shouldn't be able to come here to live their lives?

That right was earned by our ancestors who fought through the wars for this country, against the threat of invasion. It is our responsibility to protect it.

I ask myself, and everyone else, why these men and woman bring children into the world that they do not have the means to support?

 

[noobie]

Something that yet largely yet to be recognised, medical.

Given Britain has for most of its history led the way in medical research we have over the last 50 years wiped out many disease that would have previously killed or severely maimed us. Add to that over the last 40 years many diseases have been dealt with at school age

A good example is deaths through tb which in the 70's Britain had almost eradicated it entirely within the u.k.

Last year, there were 6,143 cases reported - 56 per cent in people not born here - compared to 2,141 in 1984, says a report by the British Lung Foundation. London has more victims than any other European city.

Now tb is just one example of diseases being brought into our country from countries where many die because they have no system in place to combat it.

Two points on this...many u.k. residents will have no built in resistance to many of these over seas diseases long gone from the u.k.

Secondly, at a time the nhs is being squeezed to be accountable for every last penny, there simply is not the financial resources to deal with these non indiginous medical diseases. The doctors will spend the money of course to save a life but who will miss out from other treatments due to the significant rise in overseas diseases brought here?

Add to this most of these economic migrants appear to be males ( if the country they left was so bad, where are most of the women and children?)..as most seem to be mid to late 20's then they will be demanding benefits of all kind, not just financial despite having not put a single penny into the pot.

Ignoring the tree huggers emotive stances, the figures do not add up.

 

[Centaur]

I'll do you a deal, Boggy.

i haven't read the papers but I have seen the mob of reporters who have set up camp on the escarpment overlooking the Channel Tunnel all watching and waiting for their scoop of the day.

I have also spent God knows how many hours this past month speaking with, searching and processing the migrants who have come off the shuttles. Last night I did a 12hr shift and tonight I'm back in for another 12 shift. I'm then back for another 3 shifts after that doing the same thing. I go out in clean laundered uniform and come home stinking of a mix of wood smoke, stale BO and smelly feet encased in wet trainers. The smell sticks to you like glue and even after a good scrub in a hot shower it's still there. My uniform is going through a constant cycle of being worn, washed, dried, worn, washed, dried.

I have seen their hunger, I have seen their injuries ,their rotting feet, their fear and desperation, I have seen their relief and their gratefulness. I have heard their stories, I have heard of their journeys and of the mistreatment at the hands of other human beings... and this is the thing. These men, women and children are HUMAN BEINGS who live on the same planet Earth that we do and I ask myself, and I ask everyone else, what right do we have say they shouldn't be able to come here to live their lives?

I can honestly say that I would far rather be dealing with these people than many the scum who riddle our society and that I have had to deal with in my years of service. The same scum who I have seen in and out of custody, the same scum who wreak havoc on our local communities every day.

I can also tell you, that I have not yet witnessed anything but these people being treated with kindness and dignity by my fellow colleagues who I have been working with.

You are all entitled to your thoughts and views but maybe what I have told you here might make you think of things in a different light.

Ride safe, everyone.

Bring everyone from Africa over here and we'll take Africa. Within a few years they will be knocking on Africa's door to get back in. These are economic migrants plain and simple. Send them back to sort out their own country. I do believe most of them are here to work and not live on benefits but we don't have room for them. Why don't they go to places like Saudi Arabia? Rich country with plenty of resources. Because the Saudis won't feckin have them and nor should we! s04pb0x6

 

[derek kelly]

Boggy, if they were as bad & desperate as you say then they would be grateful to settle in the first country they came to, which is not ours.

 

[Hertog Jan]

Boggy, if they were as bad & desperate as you say then they would be grateful to settle in the first country they came to, which is not ours.

+1

In Bavaria they discovered 106 migrants in 1 day. The max. speed at the A3 near Passau is reduced to 55 Mph. because migrants are walking on the hard shoulder.

Hmm it would take a 3 month march before they reach Britain...

 

[mickvfr800fiw]

Boggy, if they were as bad & desperate as you say then they would be grateful to settle in the first country they came to, which is not ours.

That'll be Italy then where 10500 have landed this month !!

If you think they are all heading here , then you really are delusional

 

[andyBeaker]

Interesting contrast here. The views of the person that is actullay dealing with these people so has seen it first hand and those that aren't dealing with them first hand.....................

You kinda have to think that these people are literally risking their lives out of desperation don't you?

Not for one minute saying I have the answer to this problem, but it is great to hear the views of someone who is experiencing reality rather than stereotyping and making assumptions.

Well done Boggymarsh@tu*

 

[Barrie]

Maybe the pro migrants would like to support these poor people financially or maybe even give some a roof over their heads. :dunno:

 

[Pow-Lo]

Interesting contrast here. The views of the person that is actullay dealing with these people so has seen it first hand and those that aren't dealing with them first hand.....................

You kinda have to think that these people are literally risking their lives out of desperation don't you?

Not for one minute saying I have the answer to this problem, but it is great to hear the views of someone who is experiencing reality rather than stereotyping and making assumptions.

Well done Boggymarsh@tu*

Whether Boggers is right or "...those that aren't dealing with them first hand..." is right is not the issue.

Answer these questions, Andrew:-

1. Where are these immigrants going to live?

2. Who's going to teach them English?

3. Who's going to give them jobs?

4. Who's going to attend to their medical needs?

5. Who's going to teach them basic establishment, etiquette and cultural protocol (like paying for food, clothes and desired items; paying utility bills; paying tax; brushing and flossing twice a day; personal hygiene, etc.)?

6. Who's going to pay for it all?

7. And what about the knock-on effects? What happens when the immigrants are provided with the above and indigenous Brits spend extra time homeless or an extra year on the waiting list for an operation on the NHS?

8. When are people going to wake up, smell the fuckin' coffee and realise that the UK simply cannot cope with the influx.

As has been said above, true refugees stop at the first safe country; they don't plan on invading Britain and bleeding us dry!

 

[derek kelly]

That'll be Italy then where 10500 have landed this month !!

If you think they are all heading here , then you really are delusional

Where or when have I said they are all heading here?
For many of them looking for safe haven Britain is nowhere near the nearest port of call.
Imagine you had been kidnapped, beaten & tortured, you managed to crawl several miles until you came to a village, the first house you come to with a light on is an old beat up looking cottage, would you knock on that door or would you think "fuck it I'll look for a luxury five bed detached"?

Have you met & spoken to any of these immigrants?
Have you ever heard them contact their brothers & tell them to commit rape as that will get them free accomodation & food etc & guarantee their stay in this country at tax payers expense?
Our prisons are more comfortable than many of their hotels.

The sad fact is that many are oppressed but many more are just looking for free board & lodgings.

 

[Pow-Lo]

i haven't read the papers but I have seen the mob of reporters who have set up camp on the escarpment overlooking the Channel Tunnel all watching and waiting for their scoop of the day.

I have also spent God knows how many hours this past month speaking with, searching and processing the migrants who have come off the shuttles. Last night I did a 12hr shift and tonight I'm back in for another 12 shift. I'm then back for another 3 shifts after that doing the same thing. I go out in clean laundered uniform and come home stinking of a mix of wood smoke, stale BO and smelly feet encased in wet trainers. The smell sticks to you like glue and even after a good scrub in a hot shower it's still there. My uniform is going through a constant cycle of being worn, washed, dried, worn, washed, dried.

I have seen their hunger, I have seen their injuries ,their rotting feet, their fear and desperation, I have seen their relief and their gratefulness. I have heard their stories, I have heard of their journeys and of the mistreatment at the hands of other human beings... and this is the thing. These men, women and children are HUMAN BEINGS who live on the same planet Earth that we do and I ask myself, and I ask everyone else, what right do we have say they shouldn't be able to come here to live their lives?

I can honestly say that I would far rather be dealing with these people than many the scum who riddle our society and that I have had to deal with in my years of service. The same scum who I have seen in and out of custody, the same scum who wreak havoc on our local communities every day.

I can also tell you, that I have not yet witnessed anything but these people being treated with kindness and dignity by my fellow colleagues who I have been working with.

You are all entitled to your thoughts and views but maybe what I have told you here might make you think of things in a different light.

Ride safe, everyone.

I have just read this for a second time and whilst your compassion and empathy is admirable, it isn't any different to how any upright, decent human being of sound moral fibre should feel. Seriously, who would REALLY wish that sort of suffering on their fellow man?

Why shouldn't they be able to come to the UK to live their lives? My question to you is why should they? When is a line going to be drawn? When is the realisation that our island simply cannot cope with 'legal' migration from Eastern Europe, never mind Eco-migrants from Africa, going to hit home?

If this mass, uncontrolled, immigration carries on much longer I fear you'll be working a lot more twelve-hour shifts. For some very different and quite unpleasant reasons.

As I wrote above, your compassion and empathy is admirable (I hope it has not entered your head for one nano-second that I'm being sarcastic here. Trust me Boggers, I'm not). However, I refer you to my post in response to Andrew, above.

 

[noobie]

The simplest way I can put it this is

We do have immigration procedures, if you are genuine it is very easy to apply.

If you think you should jump the queue over those who are applying, waiting patiently for their turn and who pay for this procedure, then you should be told politely, to bugger off.