UK - Mature Society or Irreponsible Adolescents?

[Duck n Dive]

Looking at the various posts both here and elsewhere set me thinking - rare occurance I know!

There's a lot of grumbling goes on about the "nanny state" (I know I grumble about it) but I'm actually beggining to think that it's UK society itself which is actually generating the "nannying".

What would be folks honest opinion of how UK society would react if for example we removed all road laws/markings etc and said people should just act responsibly and take care for themselves and others?

What do you think would happen if all the laws on race relations, discrimination, public disorder/drunken behaviour (and now smoking) etc. were removed on the same basis?

Is our society actually mature enough to be able to handle this - and I mean not only be able to regulate itself but also be capable of influencing the "minority"? who might choose not to accept resonable standards of behaviour.

I've often contrasted what goes on in the UK with what I see in the rest of Europe. Apart from some exceptions on the whole it always appears to me that our continental cousins often seem to have a more mature outlook on things.

There's a lot of comment in the media about companies behaving in a poor way - but those very companies are being run and operated by individuals with both free will and a concience - have we actually over the years somehow allowed our responsibilty to use both to slip away. Is that the cause of the nanny state or it's effect.

I've heard a lot of comments from folks I know in the military about the recent video doing the rounds and stirring up problems. Almost without exception they've all focused on the impact of this with some saying it should not have been released etc. as doing so undermines the forces, places folks at risk etc. I've yet to actually hear anyone say that the peeps who apparently acted as they did were the ones who caused all these problems.

Again is it a case that in our society we almost instinctively reach first for something to stop the effects/information about things we don't like that impact directly on us as individuals and in so doing create a "nanny state"?


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[Wolfie]

There's a lot of grumbling goes on about the "nanny state" (I know I grumble about it) but I'm actually beggining to think that it's UK society itself which is actually generating the "nannying".

agree it is society that creates it.

What would be folks honest opinion of how UK society would react if for example we removed all road laws/markings etc and said people should just act responsibly and take care for themselves and others?

What do you think would happen if all the laws on race relations, discrimination, public disorder/drunken behaviour (and now smoking) etc. were removed on the same basis?
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total chaos would you give a five year a gun???

Is our society actually mature enough to be able to handle this - and I mean not only be able to regulate itself but also be capable of influencing the "minority"? who might choose not to accept resonable standards of behaviour.

no far from it, it is too feckin busy worry about what soandso is going why is he getting a new car, why am i got one of them etc etc etc

There's a lot of comment in the media about companies behaving in a poor way - but those very companies are being run and operated by individuals with both free will and a concience - have we actually over the years somehow allowed our responsibilty to use both to slip away. Is that the cause of the nanny state or it's effect

yes, nobody wants responsibilty any more, they just want the money / power, so yes it is what is causing the nanny state

I've heard a lot of comments from folks I know in the military about the recent video doing the rounds and stirring up problems. Almost without exception they've all focused on the impact of this with some saying it should not have been released etc. as doing so undermines the forces, places folks at risk etc. I've yet to actually hear anyone say that the peeps who apparently acted as they did were the ones who caused all these problems

not their fault, no responsibilty again was somebody elses fault etc etc etc

the gov. can get away with murder, and in my eyes they have, public sees this thinks if it is good enough for the goose then the gander can fed there as well.

Anybody with any power should be held accountable for that power hence my sig. line

should be a law that you must treat others as you wish to be treated yerself.

remember the monkeys and just be.

 

[Rolfy Dave]

having spent nearly an hour on the traffic island at the A14 / A10 junction today...(Roadworks & traffic lights out of sequence) I would say we need nannying.....

Feckin idiots wouldnt even use a bit of common sense, and allow the traffic to clear on the stop lines of the lights before blocking the whole thing off...It took 8 policemen to control it eventually with a lot of shouting at the ignorant car , drivers who were complaining they were late....At least they arent limited to the amount of time they can spend at the wheel by law... (lucky me... paid by the hour-hope it last a bit longer)

So, I dont think that the "no lies or lights" system would work over here..

Too many inconsiderate arseholes on the road.

Rolfy
:beer:

 

[derek kelly]

There is no doubt we need rules & regulations, & as we progress they need to be amended & brought up to date but the people who make up these Rules & Regs need to find out what the problems are, try to get to the root of the problem & then make the amendments accordingly after carrying out risk assessments & feasability studies. rather than just sitting in their Ivory towers thinking up schemes to enhance their good ideas bonuses

 

[Codbasher]

having spent nearly an hour on the traffic island at the A14 / A10 junction today...(Roadworks & traffic lights out of sequence) I would say we need nannying.....

Feckin idiots wouldnt even use a bit of common sense, and allow the traffic to clear on the stop lines of the lights before blocking the whole thing off...It took 8 policemen to control it eventually with a lot of shouting at the ignorant car , drivers who were complaining they were late....At least they arent limited to the amount of time they can spend at the wheel by law... (lucky me... paid by the hour-hope it last a bit longer)

So, I dont think that the "no lies or lights" system would work over here..

Too many inconsiderate arseholes on the road.

Rolfy
:beer:

Got it in one, I witnessed the prats all trying to beat each other when I was coming out of Southall yesterday, common sense goes out of the window, and the I will get in front and fuck you attitude comes out..

One women having a go at me, telling me lorries should banned full stop, get real, joe public demands supplies 24 hours a day 7 days a week now, how do these muppets thinks it gets to the shelves, by magic???


I dont think we are in such a nanny state as such, just a very selfish one, and it covers all walks of life, from the rich to the poor...

 

[derek kelly]

Ah well Coddy I've got news for you, lorries don't deliver things to supermarkets etc, cos when I go to Asda or Morrisons they always go through those plastic door things and come out with loads of stuff that they block the aisles with & then they restock their shelves, so that must mean they make everything in a big room at the back of the store. man8um

 

[Rolfy Dave]

You mean milk does come in cartons ?????

What the feck do we need cows for then ???

Reminds me of delivering to Wolverhampton for Sainsbugs... They had loaded the trailer up with two pallets of carton milk at the back (40 roller cages in front) and the bars behind it... When I got to Wolverhamptopn, a nice gentleman of an oriental description came running over to me at the traffic lights saying "there is white stuff coming out the back of your trailer"...

I simply replied....

"That'll be milk then"... And drove off...LOL

Should have seen the look on his face...

I left a trail of UHT milk all round the Woverhampton ring road...ROFL...

Them were the days...LOL

Rolfy
:beer:

 

[Mac166]

I agree with rules being implemented but it becomes a problem when the rules over ride common sense.

Race relations: You have to employ an ethnic minority person to balance out the local cultural balance. Gloucestershire police just turned away 109 white male applicants purley on the grounds they wanted to employ ethnic persons. They call it positive discrimination. Why when a white person assaults an ethnic minortiy person it's a racial attack but if a group of ethnic minority persons attack a white its just an assault irrespective of racial taunts.

Equality: You must employ and pay women as much as men. Great and all for it if they do the same job but when I was in the forces they complained of lesser pay but they would always get the male squaddies to load and off load the vehicles while the girlies went for a cup of tea.

I am all for equal treatment and pay if an equal job in done. I also believe the best candidate for a job should be employed irrespective of race, colour, gender, sexual deviation or any other irrelevant factor. Equality should mean equality for all not for the few.

Work managers are too busy avoiding being labelled sexist racist or homophobic so will make 'political' decisions despite evidence to the contary.