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[abusivemonk]

Hi there,

I'm new to this forum but was invited along by Smix. I'm thinking (very seriously) of trading up from my Fazer 600 to a Blackbird. Been looking at this one in Cardiff http://cardiff.gumtree.com/cardiff/89/58266989.html
and been offered part ex wth my Fazer for about £2100. Does the bike look good andhow can I tell if it's an import? It's got about 22,000 miles on the clock.

Thanks

 

[Saffie]

Might be worthwhile spending ?4 and getting a full report at https://www.mycarcheck.com/

It looks really good for a bike thats done 22k, but you asking us to comment if its worth the money and thats something only you would know. For instance we do not know the condition and value of your current bike.

 

[TheGrocer]

Hi there,

I'm new to this forum but was invited along by Smix. I'm thinking (very seriously) of trading up from my Fazer 600 to a Blackbird. Been looking at this one in Cardiff http://cardiff.gumtree.com/cardiff/89/58266989.html
and been offered part ex wth my Fazer for about ?2100. Does the bike look good andhow can I tell if it's an import? It's got about 22,000 miles on the clock.

Thanks

Welcome to the Mad House
Check out the MCN site 9link below) for a review on the BIRD what to look out for etc. The Bird looks good on the ad but you need to go see it first. Take a mate with you and be prepared to walk if it doesnt look right. Good luck:yo::yo:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/B...ed-motorcycles-honda-blackbird/?&R=EPI-115141

 

[abusivemonk]

Thanks for the advice so far. Didn't go for that really expensive one.

What about this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-HONDA-RED...item414ffeb2cc

Or perhaps this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Honda-cbr-1100...item414ff43ffb

Thoughts?

 

[Wolfie]

Thanks for the advice so far. Didn't go for that really expensive one.

What about this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-HONDA-RED...item414ffeb2cc

Or perhaps this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Honda-cbr-1100...item414ff43ffb

Thoughts?

red one = never ever seen damage around the mount bolt 3rd picture before unless it had a protector there and was driopped, the scratches on that one are deep and will cost to repair so hit him hard on that

black 0ne = nothing springs to mind expect why spend ?400 for service then sell it?? def needs looking at.

 

[abusivemonk]

Because the rear tyre needs sorting very soon i.e 1000 miles. Been texting the seller.

 

[Wolfie]

Because the rear tyre needs sorting very soon i.e 1000 miles. Been texting the seller.

so spend ?400 and sell because of ?120 tire??? why bother with the service???

 

[abusivemonk]

Why ?400 for a service too but hey? He says he's selling the bike to fund buying a car. Don;t know whether it's worth the risk

 

[Saffie]

Is it worthwhile spending over 2k on a carb model thats over 10 year old when we got a 52 fuel injected bird sitting on forums for 3,7k?? Offcourse we do not know your budget,but personally I would rather get the fuel injected newer model than risk sitting with loads of problems.

I read up that the hazzles accompanying a carb bird is really not worth having a bird at all or am I miss informed.

 

[Wolfie]

Is it worthwhile spending over 2k on a carb model thats over 10 year old when we got a 52 fuel injected bird sitting on forums for 3,7k?? Offcourse we do not know your budget,but personally I would rather get the fuel injected newer model than risk sitting with loads of problems.

I read up that the hazzles accompanying a carb bird is really not worth having a bird at all or am I miss informed.

ok i will bite what hazzles are accompanying a carb bird??? the inj ones are well documented but please enlighten me on the carb issues??

 

[Saffie]

Ok Wolfie let me reel you in b0x2

Ok for one the carbed birds are sluggish under 5k revs and only pulls nicely above 6k. The carbed birds also has a known issue for sputtering at around 3,5k revs and from what I could gather needs to be resolved by balancing the carbs.

And then we have all the nice things that goes with carbs overall needles wearing floats sticking etc...

And for one I like not having to fiddle a choke to get a bike to start :yo:

 

[Wolfie]

Ok Wolfie let me reel you in b0x2

Ok for one the carbed birds are sluggish under 5k revs and only pulls nicely above 6k. The carbed birds also has a known issue for sputtering at around 3,5k revs and from what I could gather needs to be resolved by balancing the carbs.

And then we have all the nice things that goes with carbs overall needles wearing floats sticking etc...

And for one I like not having to fiddle a choke to get a bike to start :yo:

:-0):-0):-0) dont know who have been talking too but they have fed you a right crock of shit.

carbs are quicker of the mark than the fi, quicker from 40-100mph, and again quicker from 100mph to its much higher top end.

all bikes have a flat spot at 3.5k revs, but it only shows on the dyno normally, done the balancing on my carbs twice bike now has just over 50,000miles on it,

carb is also lighter, better on fuel.

then you have the flip side, loom problems, stator problems, clock problems, fuel pump problems, fi lights coming on for no reason problems, hiss problems, and you should still balance the throttle bodies as well, and after all that you will see have a slower, fatter, more thirsty bike, with a bad ugly huge rear taillight. On reflection the FI should of course been know as the IF, IF only i had brought the far better in every way carb bike, IF only i had not brought a bike that a 10p plug could cost me hundreds/thousands even IF it goes tits up.

good luck with your bike, hope she stays together and you have many happy miles on her, but be assured the IF is not as good as the carb in every department
chioke is pull back lever, start bike wait 30 secs , push forward lever.

 

[Saffie]

http://www.cbrxx.com/engine-airbox-exhaust-fuel-delivery/10881-new-here-carb-issue.html

http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews...a-cbr1100xx-blackbird-13812?intref=ed-reviews

and out of the last article I quote:" Power is ample by any standard, though the carbureted models suffer a stronger than expect dip flattening off in the midrange delivery. A stage one Dynojet kit can do a lot to reduce that tendency, while it was mostly eliminated with the introduction of injection."

and again:"The carbureted machines are the choice of the few nutters who have gone in for serious engine modifications."

Every single piece of documentation I could find on the net refers to the 2nd generation birds as being far more reliable and better performance. Also I like the tail its saxy

 

[Wolfie]

http://www.cbrxx.com/engine-airbox-exhaust-fuel-delivery/10881-new-here-carb-issue.html

http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews...a-cbr1100xx-blackbird-13812?intref=ed-reviews

and out of the last article I quote:" Power is ample by any standard, though the carbureted models suffer a stronger than expect dip flattening off in the midrange delivery. A stage one Dynojet kit can do a lot to reduce that tendency, while it was mostly eliminated with the introduction of injection."

and again:"The carbureted machines are the choice of the few nutters who have gone in for serious engine modifications."

Every single piece of documentation I could find on the net refers to the 2nd generation birds as being far more reliable and better performance. Also I like the tail its saxy

:-0):-0):-0) so a yank (whose petrol has a higher water content than ours) has had somebody crew with the vacuum tubes and fit and rejetted his bike badly, sorry as to the second one he felt the flat spot?? again prehaps a clean airfilter and a carb balance would help him.

Have never seen any documentation saying that the IF birds were better performing in speed or MPG, seen quite a few who give the top end for a late IF bird at 164mph radar clocked which is 24mph down on what the first carb birds were radar clocked at.

hhhmmmm nice try, but to be honest i dont give a shit what you have but you dont need to justify your choice to me either, after all it is you that has to live with the IF bird.

enjoy and be happy

 

[Saffie]

Wolfie in all honesty not defending what I am riding. Always been a suzuki fan but unfortunately the blokes at the insurance companies wont insure a Buza for me. Having said that:

If you even look at the threads in our forums there are issues with both bikes.
I looked at speed trial difference between the pre 99 and post 99 bird and the difference was 7mph in favour of the carb bird so dont know where you get your 24mph from.

Even went and research the pros and cons of fi vs carb and came to the conclusion that fi is part of progression must be why no new vehicles are being released with carbs??

So I bought a FI bird as a 2nd choice(buza was 1st) and stayed away from the carbs as my previous bike(zzr1100) was a carbed piece of shit with petrol pissing out when the tap wasnt closed and the floats stuck/tapping the side of the casings when the needles got stuck all that rubbish and having been a big fan of FI since I bought my GSI 2 litre vauxhall(yeah I know its a car) and never had any issues with it starting in the cold/wet I thought what the hell lemme buy a FI bike. Touch wood my bike stands outside in the rain without a cover over it and I have not had one morning that it did not take.

Also thought the black birds are ugly and think the only reason I bought a bird was that the blue looked really nice

 

[dave boyce]

Sorry saffie your wrong mate the only reason new bike's have FI is to get them through emissions tests.Have a read of road test's when all bike's had carb's not many fueling issue's, read latest test's most bike's have problem's.Manufacturer's are still struggling to make FI work.

 

[Saffie]

Kinda makes you wonder why the boys that play with bike engines in carts prefer FI systems then, seeing that they have no need to worry about emissions?

http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage/AutoVeltiosis
:dunno:

 

[Tinytim]

Wolfie...

let 'im get on with it for fooks sakes.....Me blood pressure is starting to rise....


bl4hbl4h

 

[dave boyce]

Irrelevant we are talking about production road bike's not one off racing machine's.If he had to use his kart to go to work everyday the carb's would go back on.

 

[Saffie]

Lumpy I appologize for my foul language and promise I will never use that word again fl4g71

Regarding my eyesight is that you trying to come onto me?