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sr71caspar

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I'm not sure context why you ask this, maybe I've missed a point, but so that you have a clear answer . I never started beating her.

More important, is this thread offensive?
If so why?

Read the post again. I asked for either 'yes' or 'no' as an answer.


The point is, that is your way of thinking. We either agree with your skewed viewpoint or we must be racists.


This thread is not offensive. Are you disappointed?


Anyway, yes or no? I'm interested in your answer.
 

andyBeaker

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Any right minded person does not judge a person by the colour of their skin however the word "racist" is banded about far too easily.
You have a Bee in your bonnet, not about racism but what you perceive as racism.

A couple of years back I was doing a Diploma course in Warwickshire, there were eight people on the course one of them was a black girl, she came in the room & sat alone three seats away from anyone else.
When she entered the room everyone smiled at her & said "good morning" no reply.
At the first coffee break I went to talk to her but was met with monosyllabic answers & it was clear that she didn't want to talk.
At dinner time she walked past our tables & found a solitary table near the back.
On the second day of the course the tutor mentioned something he had bought from "the Paki shop" the girl challenged him immediately & later reported him resulting in him having to undergo more training before he could teach again.

Is calling it "the Paki shop" racist?
The instructor explained that this was actually the name of the shop with the owner being a friend of his & having a very good sense of humour, he even told the girl where the shop was in Lincolnshire & to look on google earth.

The instructor did not mean anything in a racist way but it was her perception that he did. Who is right?


Derek, the tutor has to be a bit of an idiot for saying it in the first place, regardless of meaning or context.
 

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Derek, the tutor has to be a bit of an idiot for saying it in the first place, regardless of meaning or context.

Andrew, which part of "...this was actually the name of the shop..." is not clear to you?
 

Jaws

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Me.. I dont give a toss about colour race or creed.*
Either someone is ok or they are not.
In the case Derek mentions the woman is obviously NOT ok.. she is a total sack of shit with a massive chip on her shoulder and it is SHE who should have been reprimanded ( but you cannot beat stupid out of folk )

*Actually I spose I am a racist .. There is ONE nation that seems to breed tossers above all else.
I will not say which nation but will say in general the population of said place is Caucasian ( and even then I know more good decent folk who hail from there than bad .. But I always think of the residents in the negative in the first instance and wait to be proven wrong, unlike my usual attitude which is diametrically opposite that )
 

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Me.. I dont give a toss about colour race or creed.*
Either someone is ok or they are not.
In the case Derek mentions the woman is obviously NOT ok.. she is a total sack of shit with a massive chip on her shoulder and it is SHE who should have been reprimanded ( but you cannot beat stupid out of folk )

*Actually I spose I am a racist .. There is ONE nation that seems to breed tossers above all else.
I will not say which nation but will say in general the population of said place is Caucasian ( and even then I know more good decent folk who hail from there than bad .. But I always think of the residents in the negative in the first instance and wait to be proven wrong, unlike my usual attitude which is diametrically opposite that )


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derek kelly

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Derek, the tutor has to be a bit of an idiot for saying it in the first place, regardless of meaning or context.

Why should he be classed as an idiot?
I take no offence at being called a Brit.
One of our prisoners is Turkish & his nickname is Turk
Australians are known as Aussies
Polish are called poles

To shorten a nation's name as a referrence is the British way, it does not make us racist.

I personally do not like the word "nigger" but if I were to use it I would be classed as racist yet it is commonly heard used between black people.

If I don't like someone it isn't because of the colour of their skin it's because of their persona & their attitude.
 
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Caspar, I given you a clear answer.
Derek, Back to this thread, I can't speak for a girl I've never met and from what you say, you were with her for just a few days. I can speak for me, I find some of the posts on this forum, (note I said SOME) very anti-race, anti-islamic and sexiest. I could walk away and say nothing. That's not my nature, and why should I? I'm a keen BB owner, and this is the only British forum that I'm aware of. But there are a few, (who sadly are the loudest) that quite clearly believe that it's ok to express their offensive views, without them being challenged. Indeed you commented on a situation and one of the first responses was "did she have big tits" this may well have been no more than a light hearted remark, but look at the video below the comment, and imagine the impression this gives a woman reading it.
The question I asked is simple, do you (I assume from your posts, you fall into the GPM category) and others that fit the category on here, find the subject of this thread offensive and misrepresentertive of Grey, Pale, Males or is it a fair statement?
By the way, I find and most British Pakistanis, the word Paki very disparaging. As much as the word nigger, the fact that we take ownership of it and use it as a ironic phrase, does not mean that we don't find it ofensive. If anyone doubts this, try as a white person walking into a gang of young blacks or Pakistani's using the words about themselves, then you use the same words to see what effect it has. That my friends is very quick lesson in irony.
 

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Andrew, which part of "...this was actually the name of the shop..." is not clear to you?



Er, I stand correctedfl4g71fl4g71:whi5tl:

I am not going to comment on the shop owner in case foot in mouth follows again.

It does sound like a totally ridiculous story though, I would love to see evidence that this place actually exists.p0pc0rn41
 

derek kelly

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Caspar, I given you a clear answer.
Derek, Back to this thread, I can't speak for a girl I've never met and from what you say, you were with her for just a few days. I can speak for me, I find some of the posts on this forum, (note I said SOME) very anti-race, anti-islamic and sexiest. I could walk away and say nothing. That's not my nature, and why should I? I'm a keen BB owner, and this is the only British forum that I'm aware of. But there are a few, (who sadly are the loudest) that quite clearly believe that it's ok to express their offensive views, without them being challenged. Indeed you commented on a situation and one of the first responses was "did she have big tits" this may well have been no more than a light hearted remark, but look at the video below the comment, and imagine the impression this gives a woman reading it.
The question I asked is simple, do you (I assume from your posts, you fall into the GPM category) and others that fit the category on here, find the subject of this thread offensive and misrepresentertive of Grey, Pale, Males or is it a fair statement?
By the way, I find and most British Pakistanis, the word Paki very disparaging. As much as the word nigger, the fact that we take ownership of it and use it as a ironic phrase, does not mean that we don't find it ofensive. If anyone doubts this, try as a white person walking into a gang of young blacks or Pakistani's using the words about themselves, then you use the same words to see what effect it has. That my friends is very quick lesson in irony.

Look on the coffee shop as it were a group of people sitting in a pub, many groups having varying topics of conversation. "Look at the tits on her" a comment often made when a well endowed female walks in, does she find it derogatory or is she actively seeking this kind of attention? It is all down to her perception, if she finds the guy attractive she may take it as a compliment & a relationship may ensue, if it was from a fat, middle aged bald guy with bad breath & BO she would more than likely take offence.

Freedom of speech is rapidly eroding & as such we are all turning into grey boring drones, frightened to speak our minds.

A Christian bakery in Ireland are in the news for refusing to bake a cake for a Gay celebration as it is against their beliefs, they are being challenged through the courts & like the couple with the B&B a few years back they will probably lose their case.
Are we not allowed our own beliefs anymore?

You mention anti Islamic, I am anti Islamic, I am also anti Catholic,Christian & whatever other religion you can think of as they are all fundamentally selfish, judgemental despots.
 
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A couple of years back I was doing a Diploma course in Warwickshire, there were eight people on the course one of them was a black girl, she came in the room & sat alone three seats away from anyone else.
When she entered the room everyone smiled at her & said "good morning" no reply.
At the first coffee break I went to talk to her but was met with monosyllabic answers & it was clear that she didn't want to talk.
At dinner time she walked past our tables & found a solitary table near the back.

Reading Derek's anecdote above, does seem to prove that pre menstrual <O:p</O:p
tension is not bound by race
 
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Davey Bee

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Look on the coffee shop as it were a group of people sitting in a pub, many groups having varying topics of conversation. "Look at the tits on her" a comment often made when a well endowed female walks in, does she find it derogatory or is she actively seeking this kind of attention? It is all down to her perception, if she finds the guy attractive she may take it as a compliment & a relationship may ensue, if it was from a fat, middle aged bald guy with bad breath & BO she would more than likely take offence.

Freedom of speech is rapidly eroding & as such we are all turning into grey boring drones, frightened to speak our minds.

A Christian bakery in Ireland are in the news for refusing to bake a cake for a Gay celebration as it is against their beliefs, they are being challenged through the courts & like the couple with the B&B a few years back they will probably lose their case.
Are we not allowed our own beliefs anymore?

You mention anti Islamic, I am anti Islamic, I am also anti Catholic,Christian & whatever other religion you can think of as they are all fundamentally selfish, judgemental despots.

Interesting that you compare the coffee shop to a pub. Women have always said that they don't like walking into a pub alone. So it appears that they're not happy with that kind of behaviour. Further more look at this forum, I may be wrong but it appears to be populated by only GPM's When maybe the only person that's not, stands up and says that he finds something's posted as offensive he' gets a barrage of abuse.
Is this really the face of British Honda Blackbird riders, that you're happy to see portrayed? I can tell you that in the rest of the biking world, this attitude only comes from a small dying breed of biker. Come down to London and you'll find that biking is no longer the preserve of GPM's (not that it ever was) there are women, blacks, Muslim, disabled and Gays, yes Gays. We are all bikers and the majority of us respond to each other with respect.
No one wants to live in a world that prevents free speech, but I was always taught that freedom, comes with responsibility.
 

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Do you know, until a few weeks ago on this site, no one gave a fuck about colour, race or any of that bollox, those that did, just didn't post on that particular thread, and everyone was relatively happy, and mostly got on fine, then you turn up and start with your "were all racist" crap!! why don't you just fuck off, and infest a site that gives a flying fuck about the race card!! I WONT be feeding you again you TROLL!! and I would encourage anyone else that couldn't care less if someone was black brown or polka dotted to just ignore the true racists that started this thread.

Bill correct my punctuation please, so the TROLL can understand, THIS sandwich shop is shut for him!! :wank:

And the Troll isn't even a paid member, so obviously has no intention of staying once the majority stop feeding it!! has he said ANYTHING about his bird ??
 
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Davey Bee

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Do you know, until a few weeks ago on this site, no one gave a fuck about colour, race or any of that bollox, those that did, just didn't post on that particular thread, and everyone was relatively happy, and mostly got on fine, then you turn up and start with your "were all racist" crap!! why don't you just fuck off, and infest a site that gives a flying fuck about the race card!! I WONT be feeding you again you TROLL!! and I would encourage anyone else that couldn't care less if someone was black brown or polka dotted to just ignore the true racists that started this thread.

Bill correct my punctuation please, so the TROLL can understand, THIS sandwich shop is shut for him!! :wank:

And the Troll isn't even a paid member, so obviously has no intention of staying once the majority stop feeding it!! has he said ANYTHING about his bird ??

See what I mean

I turned up in 2011 my friend, but thank you for making my argument.
 

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But to be fair David, you fist post relating to either religion or race issues seems to be dated 19-03-2014, 09:57 PM so your statement is in fact quite misleading.

The race and religion discussions have only become somewhat heated since that time
Yes your join date is 2011, so what suddenly changed in March this year ?
Certainly the tone of this forum did not..
 

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Ok DaveyBee, you assume that I fall into your GPM bracket, what gives you the right to assume anything about me?
What gives you the right to assume anything about anyone on here? We are all free thinking adults who have our own identities.
You are the one sitting on your high horse casting judgement on anyone who disagrees with you.
When I was a child the term Wog was commonly used to describe a black person, my parents told me it stood for Western Oriental gentleman.
Today it is a taboo word.
Government departments use the term BEM's which means British ethnic minorities, will this be a taboo word in ten or twenty years?

As I have stated it is all about perception, if you find this forum offensive then feel free to exercise your right to leave & find one with like minded people, alternatively you could attend the bashes & have a brilliant weekend of piss taking drinking, eating & banter & get to know & understand the patrons of this forum.

You will probably choose to remain on your high horse looking for anything you can use the race card on.
 
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Davey Bee

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My first post was in 2011 asking about CCT John, which led me to your door (or the rugby club for the bash).
And on the subject of my bike, there seems to be very little around here on riding, take a look at the "ride out schedule", most areas have had one or two post this year. Last weekend, like every weekend that I can get my pass stamped, I rode 550 miles. As I've said before I'm a BB owner/rider.
But even so, if the forum is only for one type of person and that type are allowed to be offensive, and then abusive to others that object, then really only you can make that decision.
 
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Davey Bee

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Wow I seem to have hit a few raw nerves today!
 

derek kelly

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Wow I seem to have hit a few raw nerves today!

When you start branding people racist simply because they have a different opinion to yours then you WILL piss them off.
Personally I don't give a flying fuck how people percieve me, I am who I am, accept me or ignore me, your choice.
 

Jaws

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My first post was in 2011 asking about CCT John, which led me to your door (or the rugby club for the bash).
And on the subject of my bike, there seems to be very little around here on riding, take a look at the "ride out schedule", most areas have had one or two post this year. Last weekend, like every weekend that I can get my pass stamped, I rode 550 miles. As I've said before I'm a BB owner/rider.
But even so, if the forum is only for one type of person and that type are allowed to be offensive, and then abusive to others that object, then really only you can make that decision.

As I have said many times before, we are all grown ups and all able to fight our own battles David.
I made the decision to run a forum where folk can say and do as they feel without the fear of a heavy handed admin some 14 years ago..

Quite obviously the forum is not for ONE type of person.. in fact the membership is extremely diverse.. We have a Colonel in the army, a judge, a couple of doctors, lord knows how many solicitors ( who keep it schtum what they do LOL ! ) and folk from all sorts of walks of life
We have members from India, America, Hong Kong, Oz, Ireland.. in fact just about every corner of the world..
 
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