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Duck n Dive

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I will say that the condition of that aircraft looks shocking to me.

I've rarely seen that.

But do note some of the black streaks/marks you can see are grease.
United are currently under the spotlight for an increasing series of incidents which appear to be possible poor maintenance.

The absence of accidents is not evidence of safe working.
But actual incidents is evidence of something wrong, it's generally accepted that for each actual incident there will have been a series of prior "events".


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Duck n Dive

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Boeing and Flight Deck seat supplier, Ipeco, advise the 787 fleet of a known condition related to a loose/detached rocker switch cap on the fore/aft auxiliary rocker switch. This rocker switch is located on the seat back of both Captain and First Officer seats. Closing the spring-loaded seat back switch guard onto a loose/detached rocker switch cap can potentially jam the rocker switch, resulting in unintended seat movement.

Unintended fore/aft seat movement (due to a jammed seat back rocker switch) can be stopped with the emergency power cutoff switch, or by holding depressed the fore/aft rocker switch located on the inboard side of the seat pan in the direction opposite to the seat movement, or by holding depressed the manual fore/aft control lever on the inboard side of the seat pan to declutch the horizontal actuator. Please note that inputting an opposing fore/aft switch command will stop powered movement only for the duration that the seat software sees opposing commands. As soon as one of the fore/aft switches is released, the seat will resume movement following the remaining command. The preferred option is to shut off power using the power cut-off switch, but if the occupant is not able to reach that switch, the other options will halt the seat powered movement until power can be shut off. Boeing is evaluating potential updates to the appropriate Flight Crew Manual.
 

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Boeing and Flight Deck seat supplier, Ipeco, advise the 787 fleet of a known condition related to a loose/detached rocker switch cap on the fore/aft auxiliary rocker switch. This rocker switch is located on the seat back of both Captain and First Officer seats. Closing the spring-loaded seat back switch guard onto a loose/detached rocker switch cap can potentially jam the rocker switch, resulting in unintended seat movement.

Unintended fore/aft seat movement (due to a jammed seat back rocker switch) can be stopped with the emergency power cutoff switch, or by holding depressed the fore/aft rocker switch located on the inboard side of the seat pan in the direction opposite to the seat movement, or by holding depressed the manual fore/aft control lever on the inboard side of the seat pan to declutch the horizontal actuator. Please note that inputting an opposing fore/aft switch command will stop powered movement only for the duration that the seat software sees opposing commands. As soon as one of the fore/aft switches is released, the seat will resume movement following the remaining command. The preferred option is to shut off power using the power cut-off switch, but if the occupant is not able to reach that switch, the other options will halt the seat powered movement until power can be shut off. Boeing is evaluating potential updates to the appropriate Flight Crew Manual.
I have the same in my Bavarian Magnificent Wundermachine - if I am sat in the driving seat with the car fully ‘off’ and Mrs G approaches with her key the car defaults to her settings. Now I’m well over 6’ and she is around 5’4”, not a great issue in terms of seat position…but the seat goes all the way forward and all the way up before going to her set position, and to make it more comical the steering wheel goes fully forward and down before going to her setting, squashing me in many places at one time.

I know what is happening but can’t do anything about it until it has been through the comedy routine.
 

Squag1

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Boeing and Flight Deck seat supplier, Ipeco, advise the 787 fleet of a known condition related to a loose/detached rocker switch cap on the fore/aft auxiliary rocker switch. This rocker switch is located on the seat back of both Captain and First Officer seats. Closing the spring-loaded seat back switch guard onto a loose/detached rocker switch cap can potentially jam the rocker switch, resulting in unintended seat movement.

Unintended fore/aft seat movement (due to a jammed seat back rocker switch) can be stopped with the emergency power cutoff switch, or by holding depressed the fore/aft rocker switch located on the inboard side of the seat pan in the direction opposite to the seat movement, or by holding depressed the manual fore/aft control lever on the inboard side of the seat pan to declutch the horizontal actuator. Please note that inputting an opposing fore/aft switch command will stop powered movement only for the duration that the seat software sees opposing commands. As soon as one of the fore/aft switches is released, the seat will resume movement following the remaining command. The preferred option is to shut off power using the power cut-off switch, but if the occupant is not able to reach that switch, the other options will halt the seat powered movement until power can be shut off. Boeing is evaluating potential updates to the appropriate Flight Crew Manual.
Clear as mud!!!
 

Malone

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I have the same in my Bavarian Magnificent Wundermachine - if I am sat in the driving seat with the car fully ‘off’ and Mrs G approaches with her key the car defaults to her settings. Now I’m well over 6’ and she is around 5’4”, not a great issue in terms of seat position…but the seat goes all the way forward and all the way up before going to her set position, and to make it more comical the steering wheel goes fully forward and down before going to her setting, squashing me in many places at one time.

I know what is happening but can’t do anything about it until it has been through the comedy routine.
A German car with a sense of humour.
 

Duck n Dive

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Clear as mud!!!

Pilot sits in seat.

Seat has two switches to move it.

One switch is on top of seat back, it has a cover over it to prevent accidental operation.

If the cover/switch is faulty pressing down activates it.

Cabin crew enters, "would you like a coffee" while leaning on seat back.

Seat suddenly moves forward pushing pilot into control column resulting in aircraft nose diving and anyone/anything not nailed down hits the ceiling.


Oops!

:)
 

Squag1

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Pilot sits in seat.

Seat has two switches to move it.

One switch is on top of seat back, it has a cover over it to prevent accidental operation.

If the cover/switch is faulty pressing down activates it.

Cabin crew enters, "would you like a coffee" while leaning on seat back.

Seat suddenly moves forward pushing pilot into control column resulting in aircraft nose diving and anyone/anything not nailed down hits the ceiling.


Oops!

:)
Is anybody admitting to this in the incident??
 

Duck n Dive

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Is anybody admitting to this in the incident??


It'll be in the final report who actually pressed what button.

The flight data recorder (I understand;)) shows the control column being suddenly and firmly pushed forward and held in that position.

It's also (allegedly) possible to achieve the same effect by sitting on the pilot's lap facing the seat back!!!
 
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