City & Guilds 7351-013 Advanced Rider Course

[Bob Pinder]

Seen this?

http://www.issee.co.uk/amct.php?no=101

 

[AV8TOR]

I wish we had a smilie for don't give a SH1T or BORING this will do :tosser:
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Awaiting a ROYAL FLAMING

 

[ManicMan]

Just e-mailed John

About time too - a sensible alternative (with a professionally recognised qualification) :yo:

Nice one Bob

 

[gypsy]

I have no doubt it will be excellant training but shudder to think how much this is going to cost :dunno:

 

[Mac166]

I have become sceptical about these type of courses after attending one last year with another company. The course cost ?1200 and you had to have completed their 4 day nvq course (which is now 3 days) at a cost of around ?350 to be able to get on it. It is all run by serving and retired police officers who use their police qualification to prove they can ride. This may be so, but not many are able to instruct others to the same high standard without going on specific teaching courses. Knowledge is one thing, being able to put it across to others is very different.

The course was supposed to be spread over 10 days (6 days on road rest in classroom) and include first aid, lesson plans, instructional ability and all the rest of the gumph. The end qualification was supposed to be a dip in Advanced Instruction.

The course was only 8 days as the organisers couldn't get a St john's ambulance first aid instructor. I was told on the morning of day 8 I had passed and we were just going out for a ride. Value for money 1 out of 10. Now the course has ended I cannot get hold of the organisers.

For a new person to riding the may have learnt some new techniques, for a person who is already a quaified instructor I could have learnt as much with 30 mins revision of roadcraft.

I would never say I or other instructors know it all, and I totally agree with further training for all, including instructors but be careful where you put your money.

 

[ManicMan]

I think I know the course you are referring to Mac166.

I did their NVQ Course and decided that they didn't offer what I wanted on the Instructors Course.

I guess the appeal on Bob's course is the City and Guilds recognition - I know that isn't an easy accreditation to achieve. I would imagine attending Bob's (sorry, I know it isn't Bob specifically but you know what I mean) course and missing elements would almost certainly mean losing that accreditation.

I am interested to know whether the course will be recognised in any way by the new/proposed DSA Register though ....

 

[Mac166]

Hi Manicman,

When I did the last course he told me that he had had a meeting with the DSA who had attended one of his courses as an observer. As a result anyone who completed the course would have 'grandfather rights' on the new register.

I was thinking of attending the DSA DAS qualified instructors special test but ?150 for a certificate to place on your office wall is a bit expensive.

I am always looking of ways to improve my ride and instructional ability so I can offer my customers the best value for their DAS and Advanced courses

Stu

 

[RHINO]

I have a 'CITY & GUILDS' in Agricultural Management & Agricultural Machine Maintainance.........................



Hey , i can work on Harleys,,, its official.

 

[T.C]

I have no doubt it will be excellant training but shudder to think how much this is going to cost :dunno:

The course took me over 18 months to write and a further 12 months to get accreditation from City and Guilds, and with the help of Bob and the other 3 instructors on the course we have tried to illiminate many of the pitfalls and problems encountered by people on other courses.

I am not saying that it will be faultless, in fact as with any new course I expect there to be lessons to be learnt by us the instructional staff, but! We will learn by listening to constructive criticism and observations from the students who attend the course.

When I wrote and set up the RoSPA diploma course over 10 years ago, it took about 3 years before I was totally comfortable with the direction the course was taking, I expect a similar situation with the C & G course but as with anything worthwhile it is about evolution rather than revolution.

The aim is to make the course relative to real world riding with the core skills needed to enhance the riding and safety experience.

I have been working on the instructor/examiner course for about 9 months now, and again using the experiences gained by people like Bob who have been on the receiving end of my courses with national accrediation, it is about getting the balance right. So again although I have written (or am writing) the course, there will be tweaks so that it will be of benefit from the start and it will have realistic aspirations and targets for the students.

The DSA currently recognise the City and Guilds general teaching qualification and with this certificate even though ythe holder may have no advanced knowledge or experience what so ever, they will be allowed to go onto the advanced register under the grandfather rights scheme.

If they currently recognise a non specific C & G qualification, then they have to recognise this one, and we hope to have the accreditation for the instructor course formally notified to us within the next few weeks.

In respect of costs, I leave that to the guys at ISSEE, but I can say that it will undercut many of the mainstream competitors.

 

[ManicMan]

TC

Long time no "see"

Could you pm or e-mail me some details regarding the Instructor course (including anticipated dates).

Cheers

Manic

 

[T.C]

TC

Long time no "see"

Could you pm or e-mail me some details regarding the Instructor course (including anticipated dates).

Cheers

Manic

I can't at the moment as nothing is yet written up until we have formal acreditation from C & G, but as soon as we have it and dates confirmed I will be happy to do so.

 

[Valley Boy Greg]

This is the reply to my enquiry regarding the C&G course:


Dear Mr Sullivan
Thank you for your interest in ISSEE courses.



Unfortunately we are not now offering the Advanced Motorcycle Course, due to other business commitments.

We apologise if this has caused any inconvenience.

Best Regards

* ******

 

[T.C]

Just spoken to the boss man himself (Al Hatcher) at ISSEE.

The letter should have stated that the course due to be held in April has been postponed nothing more than that!

John Veasey (who sent out the letter) has got the wrong end of the stick, particularly after I had a go at him about it, and the course will be available later in the year along with the instructor course.

I will try and get him to send out a corrective letter as soon as possible.

 

[Valley Boy Greg]

Cheers, i'll watch how this develops with interest. In the meantime if possible i would very much like to see the case law you spoke of in the other thread.d34l



Would you like to see the case law which shows this claim to be absolute crap!

The High Court has held after a fatal RTA that a part time observer is just as liable as a full time professional instructor.