You'll like this Chain lube - Caution: bike related!

[slim63]

I don't like scottoiler's & always bin them if I buy a bike with one fitted the biggest problem with them is that they only work with the engine running so only dump oil when moving by which time you can be doing 100mph & the oil hasn't got time to stick before flinging off all over the place

So its chain lube for me but do it properly I use Wurth or more recently Motul any of the better names are much the same though.

…… As above do it right though, go for a short ride to heat up the chain & expand the plates then lube it & leave the thing alone for a few hours, doing it this way gets the lube inside the rollers & onto the 0-rings where it is supposed to be rather than all over the back wheel where it ends up if you don't do it right or use a sodding scottoiler

 

[Squag1]

As one of my ideas we fitted one of the latter pulse versions to an automated extrusion puller that had a saw mounted on it, to deliver cutting fluid.

Took a minute to realise that it wasn't a bike. Thought I was going mad

 

[Dark Angel]

I don't like scottoiler's & always bin them if I buy a bike with one fitted the biggest problem with them is that they only work with the engine running so only dump oil when moving by which time you can be doing 100mph & the oil hasn't got time to stick before flinging off all over the place

So its chain lube for me but do it properly I use Wurth or more recently Motul any of the better names are much the same though.

…… As above do it right though, go for a short ride to heat up the chain & expand the plates then lube it & leave the thing alone for a few hours, doing it this way gets the lube inside the rollers & onto the 0-rings where it is supposed to be rather than all over the back wheel where it ends up if you don't do it right or use a sodding scottoiler

Personal preference again, innit?

Some folk won't even have a chain - always prefer shaft drive - but proper bikes have chains!

 

[DEG5Y]

the biggest problem with them is that they only work with the engine running so only dump oil when moving

That's not strictly correct, the newer version is powered with a control unit on the handlebar that controls the flow rate. Starts pulsing on power up.

 

[slim63]

That's not strictly correct, the newer version is powered with a control unit on the handlebar that controls the flow rate. Starts pulsing on power up.

So its dumping oil on a cold chain then? ………… thanks for the heads up but I still think they are rubbish

 

[DEG5Y]

It doesn't matter when you put the oil on, as long as you put it on!
They're not actually supposed to dump on the chain, they're supposed to apply to the sprocket and centrifugal action applies it to the chain.

The other thing then depends on how much you apply, I think I've just started my third 500ml bottle of lube in 25k miles

 

[slim63]

It doesn't matter when you put the oil on, as long as you put it on!

Sorry but that's incorrect the point of lubricating a chain is to get it into the rollers & keep it there, the best way to do that is when the chain is hot, & the plates are expanded, modern spray lube is designed to solidify between the plates, on the 0 or x-rings and into the roller pins then stay put !
Remember the days of boiling a none o ring chain up in a tin of grease ? same principle get it in there & keep it there

lathering thin oil on the outside isn't going to do that, the only real advantage a scottoiler has is that lazy buggers don't have to remember to do basic maintenance

 

[DEG5Y]

'Lazy buggers', yeah, your probably right, I can't remember the last time I looked at any of my bikes with a spanner in my hands!



So please educate this poor lowely spark that was coerced into multi skilling with the enforced NVQ to say I did it, does the cold oil stop the chain getting hot?

I'd better make a point of changing all our PM schedules to make sure all the chains are stinking hot before we lube them!

ps. the purpose of lubrication is to reduce friction between mating parts, in this case the sprocket and the chain. Whilst the rollers require free movement, they do not actually 'roll. Once engaged with the sprocket it is held in between the teeth and doesn't roll it just allows the chain to flex around the sprocket.

 

[andyBeaker]

'Lazy buggers', yeah, your probably right, I can't remember the last time I looked at any of my bikes with a spanner in my hands!



So please educate this poor lowely spark that was coerced into multi skilling with the enforced NVQ to say I did it, does the cold oil stop the chain getting hot?

I'd better make a point of changing all our PM schedules to make sure all the chains are stinking hot before we lube them!

ps. the purpose of lubrication is to reduce friction between mating parts, in this case the sprocket and the chain. Whilst the rollers require free movement, they do not actually 'roll. Once engaged with the sprocket it is held in between the teeth and doesn't roll it just allows the chain to flex around the sprocket.

'Mating parts'

Snigger...

 

[andyBeaker]

For what it's worth before I discovered the maginificence of Scotoilers I regularly used chain saw oil on my f650.

It was fed to the chain by one of these - a lovely simple design, give it a squeeze occasionally to pump the lube through and job done.

Cheap as chips as well

 

[ogr1]

If you opt for the touring version it mounts behind the number plate and if it failed it dumps the oil behind the rear wheel.

Yarp...been there done that.

 

[ogr1]

For what it's worth before I discovered the maginificence of Scotoilers I regularly used chain saw oil on my f650.

It was fed to the chain by one of these - a lovely simple design, give it a squeeze occasionally to pump the lube through and job done.

Cheap as chips as well

I've got the older 'squeezy bottle' type, I see the new version has a push button... very plush, i may have to upgrade.

 

[Martin L Batley]

I seem to be seeing many misconceptions here. With O and X ring chains they are sealed and any oil applied is not going to penetrate the rollers. The real purpose of oiling a chain is to stop it rusting. D.I.D. specifically state on their packaging to use gear oil on their chains. All these spray cans of gunk are just a marketing con that when used just cause road grit and other crap to stick to the chain. This leads to wear as it grinds away at the chain as it gets trapped between surfaces.
Think about it, a small bottle of gear oil will last years if used properly and save you a fortune over all those cans of aerosol gunk you'll need over that time.

 

[Duck n Dive]

I seem to be seeing many misconceptions here. With O and X ring chains they are sealed and any oil applied is not going to penetrate the rollers. The real purpose of oiling a chain is to stop it rusting. D.I.D. specifically state on their packaging to use gear oil on their chains. All these spray cans of gunk are just a marketing con that when used just cause road grit and other crap to stick to the chain. This leads to wear as it grinds away at the chain as it gets trapped between surfaces.
Think about it, a small bottle of gear oil will last years if used properly and save you a fortune over all those cans of aerosol gunk you'll need over that time.

.

 

[Martin L Batley]

As for Scottoilers, strikes me they are for those that can't be arsed to spend a couple of minutes on their chains each week or so

 

[ChrisRB]

+1 for scottoiler touring version.

Fitted by dealer for me from new and OE chain lasted for 30,000+ miles.

 

[slim63]

ps. the purpose of lubrication is to reduce friction between mating parts, in this case the sprocket and the chain. Whilst the rollers require free movement, they do not actually 'roll. Once engaged with the sprocket it is held in between the teeth and doesn't roll it just allows the chain to flex around the sprocket.

A sparky explains a lot

Go grab a piece of ROLLER chain & tell me the ROLLERS don't move ! then think about it for a while & tell me why they HAVE to move

I will give you a day or two to work it out then come back & say sorry slim you were right ….again

 

[sr71caspar]

What is the point of having 'O' or 'X' rings on a chain if they let stuff past them into the inside of the roller?

 

[slim63]

What is the point of having 'O' or 'X' rings on a chain if they let stuff past them into the inside of the roller?

The point is the o rings are there to prevent that happening & to keep the factory grease inside the rollers, lube of any sort is to lube the roller PINS plates & the rings themselves to prevent wear, also to reduce friction & prevent wear to all other metal on metal points of contact

 

[Cougar377]

I use whatever's available. Currently using bottle of 3-in-1, although I've used chainsaw oil before.