Bridgestones The next Chapter

[tootyfluti]

Thought I`d link this as well as its related.



http://www.bikersoracle.com/vfr/forum/showthread.php?t=36451

 

[birdinflight]

well there you go.................

bloody ultraseal

 

[RHINO]

He's right

Its all based upon assumption and scare tactics.
A company as big as B/stone would have a front page of MCN to warn people if they thought there was any safety issues, imagine the compo claims if they hid the truth and someone were to be injured or worse.

 

[XXLarge]

Its all based upon assumption and scare tactics.
A company as big as B/stone would have a front page of MCN to warn people if they thought there was any safety issues, imagine the compo claims if they hid the truth and someone were to be injured or worse.

Yeah, like Suzuki with the Busa subframe!!!!!!
:neenaw:

 

[RHINO]

NO!!

Yeah, like Suzuki with the Busa subframe!!!!!!
:neenaw:

SUZUKI admitted there WAS a problem however blamed it on luggage fittment, they didn't deny any issues with the subframe simply refused to correct it on warranty. So :neenaw: to you................... :beer:

 

[Geoff James]

Depends where you are....

My riding partner had the famous subframe problem and his was replaced free but without comment. He's had his last 3 or 4 bikes from that particular dealer and I presume that they simply wanted to keep his business. Good result for him though. :yo:

Geoff

 

[Supabird1100]

And if Ultraseal was proved to be the culprit think of the claims they would have against them !!!!!

I kept quiet about it.....but I ran Ultraseal in the 'Bird, the CBR1000 before it, the CBR600 before that and have now got it installed in the Pan. I've never had a problem with vibration or wheel balance......and the peace of mind it gives more than compensates for the slightly messy garage floor at tyre change time !!!

Other people have ridden my previous bikes and they have been very 'anti-Ultraseal' .........not one has ever commented that my bikes shook or vibrated and they never realised that I had the stuff in my tyres !!!!! :} :}

 

[RHINO]

My dad

ALWAYS uses UltraSeal in his bike, he's done 45,000 miles in 2 years on it all around europe, the Arctic circle and UK with NO problems at all..... He recons he gets better tyre life with it in than without too so :dunno:

 

[bigjon]

oh dear

it would seem that the scare monger on the vfr website needs to sort his head out. c7u8
As for ultraseal, I cant possibly imagine how disguising a puncture and continuing to ride on it until the tyre fails is safe. Surely, a can of aerosol puncture repair is better, as at least you know that the puncture is there then! People seem to forget that they are riding 1/3 tonne of machinery with 180mph capability. I would prefer to know if I had a puncture,and do something about it, rather than just live in ignorant bliss until ending up on your arse at the side of the road %$fan
But at the end of the day, it all comes down to that personal preference thingy, and we all know how many arguments that creates!!!
Take care people :neenaw:

 

[RHINO]

it would seem that the scare monger on the vfr website needs to sort his head out. c7u8
As for ultraseal, I cant possibly imagine how disguising a puncture and continuing to ride on it until the tyre fails is safe. Surely, a can of aerosol puncture repair is better, as at least you know that the puncture is there then! People seem to forget that they are riding 1/3 tonne of machinery with 180mph capability. I would prefer to know if I had a puncture,and do something about it, rather than just live in ignorant bliss until ending up on your arse at the side of the road %$fan
But at the end of the day, it all comes down to that personal preference thingy, and we all know how many arguments that creates!!!
Take care people :neenaw:

MMMMMMMM, think about what you've just said...... wouldn't you like to know you've got a puncture??
NO, not at 100mph+ i bloody would'nt. The ultra seal STOPS the tyre going flat and permanantly seals the hole with no rapid air loss and no loss of control.
Sorry you died due to a high speed puncture but at least everyone knows now that you had a nail in it!!
If the asealant does'nt work then tuff,, it was gonna go flat anyway.

 

[mickyb999]

MeTo

it would seem that the scare monger on the vfr website needs to sort his head out. c7u8
As for ultraseal, I cant possibly imagine how disguising a puncture and continuing to ride on it until the tyre fails is safe. Surely, a can of aerosol puncture repair is better, as at least you know that the puncture is there then! People seem to forget that they are riding 1/3 tonne of machinery with 180mph capability. I would prefer to know if I had a puncture,and do something about it, rather than just live in ignorant bliss until ending up on your arse at the side of the road %$fan
But at the end of the day, it all comes down to that personal preference thingy, and we all know how many arguments that creates!!!
Take care people :neenaw:

I agree with Rhino the thing is with or with out Ultraseal if you check your tyres at least weekly as you should do !!!!!!!!! you would know if you have had a puncture as Ultraseal is pink/purple colour and you can see it. i to have used it for a long time never had any problems. and tyre wear is better than without. as to speed wobbles as i have only had it up to an indicated 168 mph i can't say if you go faster who knows ask them that do but i have never had a problem

 

[Nick Brett]

OK. So who actually uses Ultraseal? I would really like to know because I really dont want to be stranded miles from home with a puncture. Is there anyone that has had a problem with the stuff or is it just scaremongering. Maybe someone who has had a problem, or someone that has used it and not had a problem could answer my question.

 

[RHINO]

NICK

I personally do not due to my B/stones only lasting 3k or so and the Ultraseal is expensive. I think there is a good reason to put it in and fair reason not to.
My old fella NEVER goes anywhere without it on his bike but as yet i have'nt used it. When i go to Catalunya 2005 i WILL be using it as the BMW repair kit i have under the seat is a little old now.
I'd rather seal it before i end up on my ass in the middle of a farmers field with a nail costing me ?5k + a bemused other half.

 

[Nick Brett]

Thanks Rhino

Im also one of the few still using Bridgestones. How much is Ultraseal? Do you know anyone that has ridden at, say 120 mph with the stuff?

 

[skippy]

Seems to be a large amount of scaremongering on both sides of the fence with little or no researched facts to back any of the claims of doom and gloom or saviour of the human race notions, not unlike the fully synthetic V sewing machine oil arguments ............oops different thread :}
anyhow I have used similar gunk in a get me home capacity on a couple of occasions and have noticed wheel ballance problems even at legal limp home speeds, maybe new formulations have got around this problem. As for it making your tyre tread last longer I would be interested in seeing some objective well thought out scientiffically based information on how this is achieved bearing in mind that it is inside your tyre and not smeared all over the outside thus reducing friction etc :}

 

[mickyb999]

me

Thanks Rhino

Im also one of the few still using Bridgestones. How much is Ultraseal? Do you know anyone that has ridden at, say 120 mph with the stuff?

Read my post above with regards to mph

 

[RHINO]

Skippy

The Ultraseal dissipates heat from the carcase of the trye holding it in the sealant thus reducing the greater wear rate. The ultraseal comes with a leaflet which fully explains the new technological advances in such items.
As previously stated, my old man has done over 44,000 miles in 2 years on his CB500 in all weathers and at some silly speeds, the guy CAN ride a bike too and the Ultraseal has never caused concern. He has been riding for over 50 yrs and as such i think he'd know if it were crap.
I shall endevour to get the leaflet from him and scan it onto the thread for your reading. JT

 

[skippy]

The Ultraseal dissipates heat from the carcase of the trye holding it in the sealant thus reducing the greater wear rate.

Seen this old chestnut flouted by the vendors on many occasions.............unfortunatly not sound science, what happens is that over a period of time the sealant raises in temperature to that of the tyre itself only resulting in both the tyre and the gook then being the same temperature.
many of the gunk venders have now changed their claims to say that said gunk stops tyre deflation by the tyres natural porosity thus keeping the pressure correct meaning that the tyre wont overheat due to underinflation thus restoring their original service life. If you check your tyre pressures daily and we all do dont we folks :dunno: this is moot point anyway.
Tyres are designed to run at an optmal temprature and will do so as long as they are kept at the correct pressure and not overloaded, you really don't want anything changing the temperature up or down by signifigant amounts.

 

[Supabird1100]

Tyres are designed to run at an optmal temprature and will do so as long as they are kept at the correct pressure and not overloaded, you really don't want anything changing the temperature up or down by signifigant amounts.

Fair point, Skip......but a tyre running at 70mph in Death Valley in August is going to run at a higher temperature than a tyre running at 70mph on the M25 in January.

Personally, I'm not too worried about the claims of extended tyre life or other benefits.......just the fact that I'm not gonna be sitting at the side of a French autoroute, on a Sunday afternoon, waiting for a breakdown truck, driven by a fella who doesn't speak English, with a non-fixable puncture that requires a new tyre to be fitted, which won't be available until Monday afternoon......that's enough to convince me to use it !!!! :} :}

 

[skippy]

Fair point, Skip......but a tyre running at 70mph in Death Valley in August is going to run at a higher temperature than a tyre running at 70mph on the M25 in January.

Or the Nullabor in Janurary

What I want to know is how you get it to seal around the spoke nipples :}



BTW what happened to you last night ..............the Pan not up to the run to the Donkey :dunno: