Everton have received an immediate ten point deduction, too lenient, should also be banned from buying players for two years, also should receive a heavy fine with the money going to clubs that were relegated in their place, (not Leeds)
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10 point deduction
- Thread starter derek kelly
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Everton have admitted breaking ffp but tried to underplay by how much, Leicester will be very much aggrieved & rightly so & will likely be seeking compensation.
As far as I’m aware Man City & Chelsea are still being investigated & there is talk of a two division relegation if found guilty.
As regards to using other clubs as a yard stick, it doesn’t work, Leeds went into administration & received a 15 point deduction followed by a ten point deduction, no other club has been so heavily penalised for going into administration, at the time as I recall there were only four teams out of the whole four divisions that supported Leeds appeal.
As Everton have been found guilty of cheating they should just suck it up & realise they’ve got off lightly, they should have received a transfer ban.
It’s not so much the “losing” it’s the spending on players.
Hmmm, I'm led to believe that the points loss for insolvency is 9 points.
Might have been more beneficial to just go bust, get rid of the debts and only lose 9 points
Might have been more beneficial to just go bust, get rid of the debts and only lose 9 points
No other team in the history of the Premier league has had a 10 points deduction.
The reason Leeds, Leicester etc got relegated was they didn't play well enough, lost too many games and didn't have enough points on the board to stay up.
I don't think any team should be relegated just because the board running the club are incompetent, it should be down to scores on the board.
Apparently we were over spent by £19 million, which in football is not a lot
Leeds were deducted 10 points in 2006/07 then a further 15 points in 2007/08, Luton Town suffered the biggest points deduction of 30 which saw them disappear from the EFL, took them a while but they are back in the Premier league.
By ignoring ffp Everton have bought players they weren’t legally in a position to do so, these players have kept them in the Premier league at the expense of Leicester & Burnley the previous season.
By ignoring ffp Everton have bought players they weren’t legally in a position to do so, these players have kept them in the Premier league at the expense of Leicester & Burnley the previous season.
From what I read it wasn't necessarily buying players was the problem, it was the costs in building the new ground which pushed them over.
The points deduction that Leeds had wasn't in the Premier league.
As I said previously I don't agree with point deductions due to bad finance management, Reading are going through the same problem.
Fine clubs or impose a transfer ban but don't deduct points, not fair on fans or players.
The 6 Premier teams who wanted away had a small fine and no points deduction because of whom they were
It didn't help the fact we had a player who was under investigation from the police (since been told no charges) but we had to keep paying his wages, couldn't sell him and by the time he was cleared he was out of contract and walked away, if we could have sold him he would have been worth £20 million plus
I believe clubs take out insurance on players regarding career ending injuries or legal issues etc, so whilst they won’t have got £20m they will have recouped some of it.
A points deduction in the Premier league will not be as devastating as lower leagues due to parachute payments should they be relegated.
When Leeds received the 15 point deduction 75% of clubs voted for it, smirking as they saw Leeds struggle however Karma has a way of biting back.
Isn’t that like saying that someone who is , say, jailed for theft more likely to commit further theft once they get out of jail?
There has to be consequences for wrongdoing in any walk of life.
At the risk of bringing facts into it…
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Explaining why Everton's points deduction was so high, the commission said in its written reasons that the cause of the club's issues was because of overspending - largely on new players - along with an inability to sell players, and a lower than projected league finish.
The Premier League had argued for a 12-point sanction for the club.
The club's 16th-place finish in 2021-22 caused a loss of expected income of around £21m, the reasons state.
The commission added: "Everton's understandable desire to improve its on-pitch performance (to replace the non-existent midfield, as Mr Moshiri put it in evidence) led it to take chances with its PSR position.
"Those chances resulted in it exceeding the £105m threshold by £19.5m.
"The position that Everton finds itself in is of its own making. The excess over the threshold is significant. The consequence is that Everton's culpability is great.
"We take into account the fact that Everton's PSR trend over the relevant four years is positive, but cannot ignore the fact that the failure to comply with the PSR regime was the result of Everton irresponsibly taking a chance that things would turn out positively."
The commission ultimately found Everton's failure to comply with the Premier League's "generous threshold" was down to their own "mismanagement
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Explaining why Everton's points deduction was so high, the commission said in its written reasons that the cause of the club's issues was because of overspending - largely on new players - along with an inability to sell players, and a lower than projected league finish.
The Premier League had argued for a 12-point sanction for the club.
The club's 16th-place finish in 2021-22 caused a loss of expected income of around £21m, the reasons state.
The commission added: "Everton's understandable desire to improve its on-pitch performance (to replace the non-existent midfield, as Mr Moshiri put it in evidence) led it to take chances with its PSR position.
"Those chances resulted in it exceeding the £105m threshold by £19.5m.
"The position that Everton finds itself in is of its own making. The excess over the threshold is significant. The consequence is that Everton's culpability is great.
"We take into account the fact that Everton's PSR trend over the relevant four years is positive, but cannot ignore the fact that the failure to comply with the PSR regime was the result of Everton irresponsibly taking a chance that things would turn out positively."
The commission ultimately found Everton's failure to comply with the Premier League's "generous threshold" was down to their own "mismanagement
Whatever way you look at it the money involved in elite football is absolutely disgusting. Everton are no doubt the same as most clubs in that they have players on ridiculous salaries that have no incentive to give 100% to their profession, more interested in flashy cars,tattoos , silly haircuts and going to Paris Fashion Week. And that is down to the ridiculous Bosman ruling that effectively means that clubs can’t get rid of players who aren’t performing for any reason.
I remember Danny Rose being fined c£40,000 for something or other and responding by saying ‘I spend more than that on a night out’.
I remember Danny Rose being fined c£40,000 for something or other and responding by saying ‘I spend more than that on a night out’.
Personally I don’t think the punishment was too harsh, if they had received the points deduction at the end of last season or the season before then it would have been more effective, in my opinion they have given Everton plenty of time to gain the points back.
Leicester & Burnley both suffered due to Everton’s mismanagement/corruption or whatever reason fills the void & both clubs should be compensated at Everton’s expense.
Leicester & Burnley both suffered due to Everton’s mismanagement/corruption or whatever reason fills the void & both clubs should be compensated at Everton’s expense.
The other interesting "watch this space" is going to be if/when other club(s) press the lawyer button, if they feel they've been financially damaged by Everton's actions.
If they do it'll be through civil courts, not league committees or enquiries so the league loses its control of the narrative.
If they do it'll be through civil courts, not league committees or enquiries so the league loses its control of the narrative.
I think it is fair to say Man City have lawyered up and brought proceedings against them Down to a snails pace. Sadly much of justice in the 21st century comes down to who employs the best lawyers.
The problem is that as supporters it isn’t ‘our club’ despite the passion we feel. It is a business same as any other business and as such the business gets the punishment. As such I don’t have an issue with points deduction - that, no doubt, will be reduced on appeal. Juventus, Marseille, Glasgow Rangers and others have suffered far, far worse punishments elsewhere for various transgressions.
I hate what the Glazers have done to ‘my‘ club but whatever way you look at it they own it and as such can do they want with it. The various ‘supporter action groups’ carry on as if they have a right to have a say but the harsh reality is they haven’t.
Football club ownership is either about money or egos…or both. Love of the club doesn’t come into it Anymore.
Why do you assume it will be reduced on appeal? Leeds appealed their (then record) 15 points deduction & 75% of clubs voted against them,, at that time the words from Leeds were “wait until you are in this position”
It is an assumption, i may be right, I may be wrong. It is the first case of it’s type so no precedent to follow.
Personally I think they should be relegated but that’s probably as I was on the wrong end of bottles and other stuff being thrown into the away section last time I was at Goodson Park