why are our police so useless?

[rovinghawk]

Firstly I'd like to say, if the police carry out a 100 raids and only get it right once, thats fine by me.

Yes, but you didn't get shot, did you?

As for the police useing force on a raid....... how the hell can you expect anyone to raid a house, possiably containing nutters with guns and explosives, and be polite.

I think I could expect them to not shoot unarmed folks, don't you?

share with us your convictions,

No convictions, just a few strong beliefs.

you seem to have an unhealthy hatred towards the police

I seem to recall mentioning an ex-police friend a few posts ago. I dated a policewoman, too.

the Brazilian was an illegal immigrant running from the police, and was warned to stop by armed police, he kept running and got shot. Tough shit.

The fact that he'd overstayed his visa is hardly justification for shooting him unless you have a very 'robust' attitude to law enforcement; deportation might have been a better option.
The official report into the shooting is that he was taken by surprise (ie without any warning) whilst sitting in a tube carriage; kinda hard to run whilst being held down, I would have thought. Don't let facts interrupt you, though.

RH

 

[RHINO]

You cannot know 'FACT' unless you were there.

You can only know what you've been told, that is heresay and not admissable in court. bl4hbl4h

 

[Centaur]

Sorry folks but

how many circles is this thread going in? Yawn,yawn,yawn!

 

[rovinghawk]

You cannot know 'FACT' unless you were there.

You can only know what you've been told, that is heresay and not admissable in court.

So you're saying that official police reports are inaccurate? Curious.

 

[Steamy]

FFS can we PLEASE let this one drop. How much dirt needs to be dug when we all know the system is at fault and there is nothing to be gained from blaming front line Police officers??

So, draw a line underneath this, and just let it go!

 

[rovinghawk]

:bow: :bow: The last time an officer tried to do a softly softly house arrest on a suspected terrorist it was one of my own colleagues, Mr Stephen Oake, he was MURDERED on the spot by the suspect Kammel Bourgas.......... Now tell me we should be so soft.
Stephen was stabbed to death in a flat whilst protecting his 'soon to be' murderers " HUMAN RIGHTS" by not placing handcuffs on him.
Stephen left a widow and 2 kids..........is that justified :dunno:

A report delivered to a UN committee:

"The trial of the infamous "UK poison cell," a group portrayed as al Qaida-associated operatives plotting to launch ricin attacks in the United Kingdom and in league with Muhamad al Zarqawi in Iraq, found nothing of the sort. The jury did find "the UK poison cell," known as Kamel Bourgas and others (Sidali Faddag, Samir Asli, Mouloud Bouhrama, Mustapha Taleb, Mouloud Sihali, Aissa Kalef), not guilty of conspiracy to murder by plotting ricin attacks and, generally speaking, not guilty of conspiracy to do anything. "

Legally speaking, it's libellous to call him a suspected terrorist when the Old Bailey has acquitted him. It's also contempt of court. Having said that, I'd support the death penalty on him for the murder he was convicted of.

Whilst I don't respect police, I respect judges to a very high degree.

 

[rovinghawk]

How much dirt needs to be dug

I just want to see how far they'll go to defend the indefensible and how often they'll distort the facts and disregard any opinion other than their own. It's not personal in the slightest, I've simply been winding them up.

RH

 

[mick the knife]

So, draw a line underneath this, and just let it go!

No feck off, MtK was then about to respond to the challanger and see if he had the bottle to take me on. The guy has some dark secret involving law enforcement and IMHO is not coming clean with us. I had an Ex-girlfriend who was a WPC and also captain for the England football team, I have a friend in Leeds ( godfather to our eldest ) who is on crime scene, I have a few old school mates in the job in Norwich. One of which is a DCI. All the other boys in blue I have met have been on official buisness.
The only thing I would change about our force is to take away the leftie pc brigade, who stiffel true police work at ground level. Admittedly there are a few dickheads wearing blue, but every trade and industry has it's share.
I may have missed it but share with us RH, what do you do, or did if you've retired.

 

[rovinghawk]

MtK was then about to respond to the challanger and see if he had the bottle to take me on.

I presume me as the challenger? If we're going to lock horns, how about a new thread as this one has been getting a bit emotive? You pick the subject and I'll wade in on the other side.

The guy has some dark secret involving law enforcement

I said "Bond. James Bond"
She said "Off. Piss Off."

and IMHO is not coming clean with us.

Ask anything you like. I'll answer anything I like.

The only thing I would change about our force is to take away the leftie pc brigade, who stiffel true police work at ground level.

I'd probably change something in the system whereby ?1.13 billion of operational police funds went to boost police pension this year rather than being used for crimefighting, bearing in mind that it's the 2nd most generous pension scheme in the world. Ever.

Admittedly there are a few dickheads wearing blue, but every trade and industry has it's share.

In many industries it's easier to sack them.

I may have missed it but share with us RH, what do you do, or did if you've retired.

You didn't miss it. I'm not retired- I have a construction company, a property business and I own half a bar. I sometimes also ride shotgun on trainee scuba divers.

As I've noticed comments made on this board about non-posting lurkers, I thought I'd see what kind of welcome happens to someone who doesn't just follow the herd.

RH

 

[derek kelly]

Whilst I don't respect police, I respect judges to a very high degree.

I've locked up more judges than police officers

 

[rovinghawk]

I've locked up more judges than police officers

That's because courts convict people based on the facts, rather than prejudice, emotion, testosterone, etc. A pity more police don't act similarly, isn't it?

Earlier in this thread there was a remark from a police officer that he didn't think police should be accountable for their actions. I'm still waiting on an explanation for that one, but I don't think I'll get it.

RH

 

[mick the knife]

You didn't miss it. I'm not retired- I have a construction company, a property business and I own half a bar. I sometimes also ride shotgun on trainee scuba divers.


RH

Oh, for fecks sake now we've finished this thread, You're a cowboy builder, a half hearted estate agent, piss head and a guy who fleece tourists before you drown them.
Well quailfied to knock the "ole bill" one feels.
I'll have to get back to you on "locking horns" with a new thread and different subject due to technical difficulties..... cos I'm thick as shit.

 

[rovinghawk]

You're a cowboy builder, a half hearted estate agent, piss head and a guy who fleece tourists before you drown them.

We must have met!

 

[mick the knife]

We must have met!

Funny that, I'm also in the building game ( loosely) Do I take it from your handle that you are, or were a plaster????

 

[derek kelly]

That's because courts convict people based on the facts, rather than prejudice, emotion, testosterone, etc. A pity more police don't act similarly, isn't it?

Peoples perception of facts differ it is possible that whereas one jury may find a person guilty another jury may see things differently & find them innocent, If judges are so fair & unbiased how is that virtually identical cases can have different penalties?

Earlier in this thread there was a remark from a police officer that he didn't think police should be accountable for their actions. I'm still waiting on an explanation for that one, but I don't think I'll get it.

RH

Obviously I cannot reply for Rhino [he is more than capable of doing that for himself] but I will reply for my Daughters ex boyfriend who is now in the firearms squad in the West Yorkshire police, in his first year straight from training he was investigated seven times over arrests that he had made [under supervision] all because the druggie scrotes that he had arrested knew that there is always a chance that if they complain about the arrest then the police heirarchy will drop the charge & all complaints have to be investigated many resulting in police suspensions

 

[rovinghawk]

Do I take it from your handle that you are, or were a plaster????

"Them's fighting words, boy!" No. I'm an engineer by training and a lazy clipboard-carrier by inclination.

RH

 

[mick the knife]

"Them's fighting words, boy!" No. I'm an engineer by training and a lazy clipboard-carrier by inclination.

RH

Feck me it get's worse, a white hard hat.

 

[rovinghawk]

If judges are so fair & unbiased how is that virtually identical cases can have different penalties?

Magistrates, IMHO. Also good defence lawyers or bad prosecution lawyers.

I cannot reply for Rhino [he is more than capable of doing that for himself]

If so, I look forward to the reply.

all complaints have to be investigated many resulting in police suspensions

Are any ever justified? As an example the Leeds copper videoed smacking hell out of the non-violent drunk even after handcuffing him (kneed him in the back whilst pinned against the car) and his partner who looked on, apparently bored.

RH

 

[rovinghawk]

Feck me it get's worse, a white hard hat.

Honest to God, it's in the shape of a stetson.

RH

 

[Jono]

Knock, Knock, "Hello sir, sorry its a bit early, we've heard some gossip that you may have a chemical device and explosives on your premises, and maybe some weapons too"?

No!

"Oh, thanks very much sir, sorry to disturb you, if our knocking was a little loud or frightening feel free to complain, have a good day".

"Feck me lads, these new tactics by RH really work". d34l

"Yeah but don't go diving with him he carries a shotgun"!