RNLI

[slim63]

Why is it that most of these so called refugees I see on the tv are blokes?
Where are their women??

Good point

This above all shows the mindset of many of these people, if our country was genuinely war torn or I was being repressed or in fear for my life in any way I would be looking to get my family safe first then worry about myself after just as all of you would I am sure

That this is exactly what is NOT happening and add to that the fact that these people are travelling through many safe countries to get here should tell even the most liberal minded of you that we are seen as a soft touch with a government too scared to do anything about it

 

[derek kelly]

I remember a few years back Robert Kilroy Silk had a debate show, on one of these shows there were some immigrants who had supposedly escaped torture & oppression, one of these chaps was mouthing off at a Nurse who had slammed them as work shy scroungers, after a long winded rant the Nurse looked at him & said “you’ve never been oppressed, you’re too arrogant”

 

[richardgore]

I'm ignoring the blatant racist and xenophobic rants and focusing on the original post, by Jaws. I'm astounded by the comments regarding the RNLI. I think some of you forget that the men and women who crew the lifeboats are, in the main, volunteers. They go to sea to try and rescue anyone in danger or distress. They don't get to choose. They react to a shout and head off, not knowing whether the persons they find will be alive or dead - some of them kids. They prioritise their attendance based upon information received, so whether little Johnny gets into trouble on a lilo or a boat load of 'immigrants' is in danger of capsizing and drowning, they don't get to decide which they will deal with.

The management of the RNLI are well aware of the negative comments some people will make regarding the rescuing of 'immigrants' but, as I said, they don't get to choose (and they certainly wouldn't issue those kind of instructions to their crews) so they have to take it on the chin. We must all remember that, for whatever the reason, souls in danger at sea need help and the RNLI has decades of history in selflessly providing that assistance, funded only by public donations and without any financial assistance from the Government of the day.

As an aside, how many of you would willingly get into an overcrowded inflatable boat on the other side of the Channel, in the dark, wearing a life-preserver of questionable quality to cross at least 21 miles of the busiest sea route in the world? I cannot imagine how desperate they must be. Your ire should be reserved for the people traffickers who make money out of their misery - not the volunteers who try and safe their lives.

 

[andyBeaker]

I'm ignoring the blatant racist and xenophobic rants and focusing on the original post, by Jaws. I'm astounded by the comments regarding the RNLI. I think some of you forget that the men and women who crew the lifeboats are, in the main, volunteers. They go to sea to try and rescue anyone in danger or distress. They don't get to choose. They react to a shout and head off, not knowing whether the persons they find will be alive or dead - some of them kids. They prioritise their attendance based upon information received, so whether little Johnny gets into trouble on a lilo or a boat load of 'immigrants' is in danger of capsizing and drowning, they don't get to decide which they will deal with.

The management of the RNLI are well aware of the negative comments some people will make regarding the rescuing of 'immigrants' but, as I said, they don't get to choose (and they certainly wouldn't issue those kind of instructions to their crews) so they have to take it on the chin. We must all remember that, for whatever the reason, souls in danger at sea need help and the RNLI has decades of history in selflessly providing that assistance, funded only by public donations and without any financial assistance from the Government of the day.

As an aside, how many of you would willingly get into an overcrowded inflatable boat on the other side of the Channel, in the dark, wearing a life-preserver of questionable quality to cross at least 21 miles of the busiest sea route in the world? I cannot imagine how desperate they must be. Your ire should be reserved for the people traffickers who make money out of their misery - not the volunteers who try and safe their lives.

well said sir.

I backed off from this thread as I thought I might lose it……

as an additional point there are comments about working in the ‘black economy’ - there is a huge difference between that (such as fruit picking) and modern day slavery, including prostitution, where lots of illegal immigrants end up courtesy of the scum traffickers..

 

[derek kelly]

I'm ignoring the blatant racist and xenophobic rants and focusing on the original post, by Jaws. I'm astounded by the comments regarding the RNLI. I think some of you forget that the men and women who crew the lifeboats are, in the main, volunteers. They go to sea to try and rescue anyone in danger or distress. They don't get to choose. They react to a shout and head off, not knowing whether the persons they find will be alive or dead - some of them kids. They prioritise their attendance based upon information received, so whether little Johnny gets into trouble on a lilo or a boat load of 'immigrants' is in danger of capsizing and drowning, they don't get to decide which they will deal with.

The management of the RNLI are well aware of the negative comments some people will make regarding the rescuing of 'immigrants' but, as I said, they don't get to choose (and they certainly wouldn't issue those kind of instructions to their crews) so they have to take it on the chin. We must all remember that, for whatever the reason, souls in danger at sea need help and the RNLI has decades of history in selflessly providing that assistance, funded only by public donations and without any financial assistance from the Government of the day.

As an aside, how many of you would willingly get into an overcrowded inflatable boat on the other side of the Channel, in the dark, wearing a life-preserver of questionable quality to cross at least 21 miles of the busiest sea route in the world? I cannot imagine how desperate they must be. Your ire should be reserved for the people traffickers who make money out of their misery - not the volunteers who try and safe their lives.

As a radio operator in the RN I was part of seaboat’s crew, (man overboard rescue) my job was to sit at the stern in a 20ft whaler with a 634 (radio) & establish communications with the ship, the exercises for this always took place in the bay of biscay.

racist & xenophobic rants? I see reasoned arguments, I have no problem with helping genuine refugees but the reality is non of those reaching our shores are genuine refugees.
At the side of Wakefield prison is a large building which used to belong to the Prison service & was used as a college, suddenly it no longer belonged to the Prison service & became Angel lodge, a unit for housing so called refugees, staff have had vehicles broken into & vandalised, many of these so called refugees stand blatantly in front of the prison dealing drugs. A Prison officer from NewHall was getting cash from a cash machine in the middle of the afternoon, he was approached by three Somali refugees & not content with robbing him they stabbed him several times.

 

[Duck n Dive]

My comment wasn't aimed particularly at any part of the economy.

More that it's easy in the UK compared to elsewhere in Europe.
Same for medical treatment.

That ease facilities all types of unofficial employment/slavery.

 

[Cougar377]

Not sure why you're levelling your guns at Jaws, he doesn't even figure in this thread.

Nobody is doubting the commitment of the RNLI volunteers, what is pissing people off (including me) is that they are apparently going into FRENCH territorial waters to collect (not rescue) immigrants and bring them to Britain. In case you missed it I'll say it again..... FRENCH waters. That is NOT the remit of the RNLI, the French have their own agencies for that. So if the management of the RNLI are authorising crews to cross the Channel into French waters to collect an inflatable full of immigrants that the French are perfectly capable of dealing with themselves then they are either intent on making a political statement (which would be very foolish) or they have been "contracted" to do this by Government. Either way it is wrong.

It may interest you to know that Britain is the most densely populated country in Europe. Yet from your post it would seem that you are more than eager to accommodate more and more imigrants. Where do they go...?

I for one am fed up with the shortage of affordable housing available to the young and poorly paid, despite the fact that there are endless housing estates going up all round the country. As far as I'm concerned evey immigrant family that they bring into this country and provide free housing to, when they could so easily have settled in any number of European countries that they passed through to get here, is depriving the young and the poorly paid of this country an opportunity to live in something that they might call their own home.....instead they are caught in the trap of perpetual renting and at the mercy of many of the avaricious private landlords who are making money on the back of the lack of available housing for those at the bottom end of the payscales.

That's not xenophobic.....that's not racism.... that's called looking after your own first.

And perhaps you should consider this... these immigrants are paying upwards of £20k to get into an inflatable boat and come here. £20k...... can you lay your hands on £20K right now...? And that doesn't take into consideration how much they've spent in their travels up to that point and how much they're carrying when they get here.

 

[derek kelly]

Ever watch a programme called “the bailiffs are coming”? Many of these feature immigrants being put into a flat or a semi detached house, more often than not the allotted occupier is nowhere to be seen but there are 20 plus immigrants living there.

 

[richardgore]

Not sure why you're levelling your guns at Jaws, he doesn't even figure in this thread.

I wasn't, and didn't. You probably missed the comma......

 

[andyBeaker]

I wasn't, and didn't. You probably missed the comma......

Psst, jaws hasn’t posted in this thread.

but I won’t tell anyone

 

[Cougar377]

I wasn't, and didn't. You probably missed the comma......

Nope, I didn't ...and it makes no difference. You're implying that Jaws is involved in this thread.

As both myself and Beaker pointed out, he has not contributed to this thread.... unless by saying "the original post" you're actually referring to another thread, in which case it begs the question...why didn't you post on that one..?

 

[Pow-Lo]

As a radio operator in the RN I was part of seaboat’s crew, (man overboard rescue) my job was to sit at the stern in a 20ft whaler with a 634 (radio) & establish communications with the ship, the exercises for this always took place in the bay of biscay.

racist & xenophobic rants? I see reasoned arguments, I have no problem with helping genuine refugees but the reality is non of those reaching our shores are genuine refugees.
At the side of Wakefield prison is a large building which used to belong to the Prison service & was used as a college, suddenly it no longer belonged to the Prison service & became Angel lodge, a unit for housing so called refugees, staff have had vehicles broken into & vandalised, many of these so called refugees stand blatantly in front of the prison dealing drugs. A Prison officer from NewHall was getting cash from a cash machine in the middle of the afternoon, he was approached by three Somali refugees & not content with robbing him they stabbed him several times.

Nail. Head. Boom! These people stop being refugees the moment they enter the first safe country outside their own land. After that, they're economic migrants.

 

[andyBeaker]

Nail. Head. Boom! These people stop being refugees the moment they enter the first safe country outside their own land. After that, they're economic migrants.

Sorry, don’t agree.

Economics of migration means that some countries are more attractive than others and that changes over time as economic factors, including population numbers, change. The very fact that the UK is attractive at the moment by definition means that it is already on the path of becoming less attractive In terms of migration.

The massive fly in the ointment is the organised crime groups who are making massive money by bringing extremely vulnerable people into the country, taking their passports away, using the fear of ‘turning them into the authorities’ and using them for prostitution, cannabis cultivation, drug running, etc. It is a massive business. These souls prefer to live like this than be deported back to whatever they ran from. That is revealing.

 

[derek kelly]

What is not to agree? The fact is we are not the nearest safe Country, they bypass those to get to us for anything they can screw out of us therefore they are economic migrants.

 

[andyBeaker]

What is not to agree? The fact is we are not the nearest safe Country, they bypass those to get to us for anything they can screw out of us therefore they are economic migrants.

i don’t think the content of this thread would be any different if the immigrants were coming from the nearest country.

 

[derek kelly]

i don’t think the content of this thread would be any different if the immigrants were coming from the nearest country.

Of course it would, the whole point is that they are bypassing several safe Countries to land on our shores & the RNLI are helping them land.

 

[Pow-Lo]

Sorry, don’t agree.

Economics of migration means that some countries are more attractive than others and that changes over time as economic factors, including population numbers, change. The very fact that the UK is attractive at the moment by definition means that it is already on the path of becoming less attractive In terms of migration.

The massive fly in the ointment is the organised crime groups who are making massive money by bringing extremely vulnerable people into the country, taking their passports away, using the fear of ‘turning them into the authorities’ and using them for prostitution, cannabis cultivation, drug running, etc. It is a massive business. These souls prefer to live like this than be deported back to whatever they ran from. That is revealing.

If we are not the first place of safety outside their own borders, they are not, by definition, refugees. There is no argument.

 

[derek kelly]

Andy, you come across as a really nice chap who wants to see the good in everything, I no longer think like that, my eyes have been opened to the greed & selfish levels people will stoop to for self gain to the point that I couldn’t give a damn if those illegally entering our Country drown at sea, (except children) for an ideal society we need to live in harmony but due to selfishness that is an impossibility.
I could quite easily become a sociopath.

 

[slim63]

The couple next door hail from Romania and i will admit that I was dubious when they first started to move in, they had about 20 helping so you can imagine the scene ..... but it turns out they are a lovely quiet young couple who have now have a 2 year old and have never been an ounce of trouble .... his English is poor to non existent mainly due I think to him working very long hours and not having much time to learn ...She is learning in leaps and bounds and even her mother is trying hard to fit in (much better than I would do in their country I assure you)

The point is its a family unit who freely admit they are economic migrants that came here legally to better themselves and build a better life for their little one, I have absolutely no problem with that but ........................

Compare that to the god knows how many (10-12?) ever changing, scrap (or anything) nicking single young men around the corner who also hail from Romania and I am sure you can see where the problem lies ... the assholes from that house swagger around the streets trying to intimidate people taking what they want and getting pissed or stoned every day .. i dont know for sure but its a fair bet they are not all here legally isnt it? .... it still astounds me that they have been there 6 months or more

Given the chance many people would puncture the damn dingy themselves and if that is the sort of scum the RNLI is rescuing and i really cant blame them, if I lived next to these dickheads I would have had them out of there by fair means or foul long ago, rumbles in the (urban) jungle say its coming to a head soon so that should be interesting

 

[ogr1]

Now you just know what Pow-Lo is gonna ask...Well, does she?