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[slim63]

Apparently this week is National Anti Knife Crime Week.

In our local area they carried out a sweep search if the local park - didn't find anything!

Well actually not entirely true, they found a lot of litter which they collected.

Eventually they may realize that passing new laws and having a purge or an amnesty will only alienate a large proportion of the country, criminals by their very nature will take absolutely no notice whatsoever

 

[Cougar377]

The problem with "reasonable excuse" as stated in law is it does not specify what that excuse may be and its not been tested in court to set a precedent yet as far as I am aware

Presumably sticking it in people in self defence isn't reasonable. All the more reason to leave no living witness. Dead men dont sue.

 

[Pow-Lo]

Swiss Army Champ at the moment, but I have carried various other multitools.
I wonder what he'd make of my Opinel No. 8...? It has a locking ring.

I have an Opinel in the garage somewhere, No.5 I think. I used it when I was an AB back in the day.

 

[JayTee]

Presumably sticking it in people in self defence isn't reasonable. All the more reason to leave no living witness. Dead men dont sue.

I think that proportional reactive force is acceptable so if you are threatened with lethal force IE with a knife and honestly believe your life is threatened then use of a weapon could be within the law, where it could get sticky is in proving you weren’t carrying the item to use as a weapon. I believe the scenario where people have picked up something to use as a weapon for self defence is called incidental or instantaneous arming.

 

[slim63]

I think that proportional reactive force is acceptable so if you are threatened with lethal force IE with a knife and honestly believe your life is threatened then use of a weapon could be within the law, where it could get sticky is in proving you weren’t carrying the item to use as a weapon. I believe the scenario where people have picked up something to use as a weapon for self defence is called incidental or instantaneous arming.

As you may have noticed I have been in a scuffle or two, most if not all of those times I have had some sort of knife on me as they are always on my belt or in my pocket unless I make the conscious decision to leave them at home eg going somewhere posh for a meal
Not once have I ever thought about using one as a weapon and never will, even when I have had one pulled on me I have dealt with it by saying exactly where that is going unless he does one sharpish while eyeing up "useful" objects close to hand, knives are pretty useless as weapons so unless the person holding it has a lot of skill and experience they are not hard to beat

Twice I have been in that situation the first time the scrote decided it was a better idea to leg it and the second time I took a screwdriver off a woman that was intent in shoving it through my face and asked the boyfriend if he would like to try it, I honestly have nothing but contempt for those sort of people

 

[Me!]

I have an Opinel in the garage somewhere, No.5 I think. I used it when I was an AB back in the day.

AB? Ample bodied (fatty)?

 

[Cougar377]

,knives are pretty useless as weapons so unless the person holding it has a lot of skill and experience they are not hard to beat

Very true. In the vast majority of cases knives are more of a psychological rather than an actual threat. As you say, unless the twat with the knife has had knife fighting training (rarer than hen's teeth) then they'll spend too much time waving the knife around. They almost always leave themselves wide open to a counter strike. If you can use something to keep them at arms length then you've neutralised their main psychological advantage and being cowards, most will soon back off.

The vast majority of knife injuries are caused by unexpected attacks from behind, or from very close up, because the perpetrators are gutless cowards.

 

[derek kelly]

Reasonable force is hard to define, there are five words that you must put in your statement “I feared for my life”

 

[ogr1]

Is this reasonable force? Well.....is it? Punk!

 

[Pow-Lo]

AB? Ample bodied (fatty)?

How uniquely amusing. Not

 

[Me!]

How uniquely amusing. Not

Yes it is valley boy.

 

[Pow-Lo]

Yes it is valley boy.

To a retarded baboon, maybe.

 

[Pow-Lo]

As you may have noticed I have been in a scuffle or two, most if not all of those times I have had some sort of knife on me as they are always on my belt or in my pocket unless I make the conscious decision to leave them at home eg going somewhere posh for a meal
Not once have I ever thought about using one as a weapon and never will, even when I have had one pulled on me I have dealt with it by saying exactly where that is going unless he does one sharpish while eyeing up "useful" objects close to hand, knives are pretty useless as weapons so unless the person holding it has a lot of skill and experience they are not hard to beat

Twice I have been in that situation the first time the scrote decided it was a better idea to leg it and the second time I took a screwdriver off a woman that was intent in shoving it through my face and asked the boyfriend if he would like to try it, I honestly have nothing but contempt for those sort of people

As you say, knives are vicious weapons IF the wielder knows how to use it. If someone is moving a knife in a figure 8 pattern, that's usually a good idea that they have half an idea of why they're doing. I stand to be corrected here but when being taught knife-wielding combat, a figure 8 movement is a basic. If the scrote in question doesn't know how to use a knife, it's not difficult to beat him if armed with nothing more than a jacket or thick jumper.

 

[derek kelly]

To a retarded baboon, maybe.

I’m not a retarded baboon & I thought it was amusing

 

[Squag1]

 

[Pow-Lo]

I’m not a retarded baboon & I thought it was amusing

You're a Yorkshireman, same thing.

 

[slim63]

As you say, knives are vicious weapons IF the wielder knows how to use it. If someone is moving a knife in a figure 8 pattern, that's usually a good idea that they have half an idea of why they're doing. I stand to be corrected here but when being taught knife-wielding combat, a figure 8 movement is a basic. If the scrote in question doesn't know how to use a knife, it's not difficult to beat him if armed with nothing more than a jacket or thick jumper.

Spot on mate sounds like you were taught in the same way I was, and in the absence of a jumper anything will do as a distraction while you get inside and take control

 

[derek kelly]

Extending batons work as well

 

[sr71caspar]

How uniquely amusing. Not

AB?

You weren't an AndyBanker, were you?

 

[Pow-Lo]

Spot on mate sounds like you were taught in the same way I was, and in the absence of a jumper anything will do as a distraction while you get inside and take control

I've seen (on telly) someone go at an untrained knife wielder with a closed belt or a towel but not sure I fancy that. If I was faced with that situation, which I'd rather not be, then in the absence of a jacket I'd take my shirt off and use that