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You'll like this Petition to ban all IS members returning to the UK
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Why not just let the security services get on with their job??
Government responded
This response was given on 27 November 2018
British citizenship can be removed if it does not render the individual stateless. Any risk posed by those who return from Syria will be managed and they may be investigated for criminal offences.
Read the response in full
The Government’s priority is to do everything we can to help keep our country safe, including managing the risk posed by those who have gone to fight in Syria and Iraq and may be linked to terrorist organisations.
UK nationals have the right to return to the country, but anyone who does return from taking part in the conflict in Syria or Iraq will be investigated by the police and prosecuted where there is evidence that they have committed criminal offences.
The Home Secretary has the power to remove or ‘deprive’ a British national’s citizenship and stop them from returning to the UK if they hold or are eligible to hold another nationality and if he assesses that individual’s presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good. This may only happen if the person would not be left stateless as a result. This power has been used against those who travelled to fight overseas. Non-UK nationals can be excluded from the country.
Where it is not possible to deprive an individual of their British nationality, a range of powers are available to protect national security.
There have already been several successful prosecutions for those who have returned from Syria. This includes the minimum of 40 years for Khalid Ali who was sentenced earlier this year for planning a terrorist attack in Westminster.
In addition to seeking prosecution of terrorism suspects we use a range of tools to manage the threat posed. We impose travel restrictions for individuals subject to Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures, and require those individuals who return to the UK subject to a Temporary Exclusion Order, to report to a police station regularly.
Home Office
Government responded
This response was given on 27 November 2018
British citizenship can be removed if it does not render the individual stateless. Any risk posed by those who return from Syria will be managed and they may be investigated for criminal offences.
Read the response in full
The Government’s priority is to do everything we can to help keep our country safe, including managing the risk posed by those who have gone to fight in Syria and Iraq and may be linked to terrorist organisations.
UK nationals have the right to return to the country, but anyone who does return from taking part in the conflict in Syria or Iraq will be investigated by the police and prosecuted where there is evidence that they have committed criminal offences.
The Home Secretary has the power to remove or ‘deprive’ a British national’s citizenship and stop them from returning to the UK if they hold or are eligible to hold another nationality and if he assesses that individual’s presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good. This may only happen if the person would not be left stateless as a result. This power has been used against those who travelled to fight overseas. Non-UK nationals can be excluded from the country.
Where it is not possible to deprive an individual of their British nationality, a range of powers are available to protect national security.
There have already been several successful prosecutions for those who have returned from Syria. This includes the minimum of 40 years for Khalid Ali who was sentenced earlier this year for planning a terrorist attack in Westminster.
In addition to seeking prosecution of terrorism suspects we use a range of tools to manage the threat posed. We impose travel restrictions for individuals subject to Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures, and require those individuals who return to the UK subject to a Temporary Exclusion Order, to report to a police station regularly.
Home Office
Because their hands have been firmly shackled by bureaucracy
If the petition gets to 100,000 signatures the matter must be debated in the house, and at that time law changes can be made or at the least suggested
Being realistic it will not happen.. Politicians will to dare change anything as they are too scared of pissing in their own money pot to disturb the status quo
I think the problem here is that by definition Joe Public has no idea what the security services do.
Personally I think they should be left to get on with it - leave it to the experts, not the public and certainly not the politicians!!
Yerrrr.. let them carry on.. they are doing such a good job...
You have a terrible habit of trying to over-simplify things.
The boss of MI6 said recently that now that the cowardly terrorist scum are dissipating in light of isis getting a kicking, it’s much more difficult to send spies to infiltrate them. He went on to say that there is a high likelihood that those that have been fighting out there will have learned a raft of deadly skills and could be quite dangerous on the streets.
The simple solution is stop them coming back. They made their beds.............
I think this petition is 'over simplifying things'.
It is very, very complex and what is being proposed isn't the answer.
Apologies for having an opinion.
cant be arsed.. better things to do than pander to your argumentative side
A-f’ing-men!
No one is denying your right to an opinion but you do try to over-simplify things with monotonous regularity. I realise you’re probably doing it in an attempt to start a wind-up (only because I refuse to accept anyone can be that dull) but you need a few more tricks in your repertoire.I think this petition is 'over simplifying things'.
It is very, very complex and what is being proposed isn't the answer.
Apologies for having an opinion.
You accuse me of 'oversimplifying'. Nearly wet myself reading that.
Pot kettle black!!
"Shoot the bitch."
You couldn't make it up!
noobie
Clueless in most things
I've signed it but more out of equality reasons.
Some may remember the numbnuts who called their kid Adolf last year. They were also part of a nominated banned terrorist group, national action. They never left this country, attacked anyone but were pretty extreme and nasty online and one had how to build explosives on his computer, no explosives were found.
Because they belonged to a banned terrorist group, both were jailed and the child taken into care after the father was jailed for six and a half years and the mother five years.
It seems heavy given they did little more than be pure horrible people but that's the rules so I'm okay with that
You then have people who have been identified by ours and other intelligence services as fighters and members of isis coming back to the U.K. with little more than an interview and observation despite being part of a known and banned terrorist organisation. Should this girl be allowed to come back, it's unlikely as a female and a new mum, she would be jailed even more so as the legal services seem to be reluctant to act on the trio of female, mother and muslim terrorist.
Therefore as the authorities refuse to protect us adequately the only chance of keeping these dangerous people out is to ban them from entry when there is a proven link between a banned terrorist organisation and the individual.
I quite like laws, I like them better when they are equally applied
Some may remember the numbnuts who called their kid Adolf last year. They were also part of a nominated banned terrorist group, national action. They never left this country, attacked anyone but were pretty extreme and nasty online and one had how to build explosives on his computer, no explosives were found.
Because they belonged to a banned terrorist group, both were jailed and the child taken into care after the father was jailed for six and a half years and the mother five years.
It seems heavy given they did little more than be pure horrible people but that's the rules so I'm okay with that
You then have people who have been identified by ours and other intelligence services as fighters and members of isis coming back to the U.K. with little more than an interview and observation despite being part of a known and banned terrorist organisation. Should this girl be allowed to come back, it's unlikely as a female and a new mum, she would be jailed even more so as the legal services seem to be reluctant to act on the trio of female, mother and muslim terrorist.
Therefore as the authorities refuse to protect us adequately the only chance of keeping these dangerous people out is to ban them from entry when there is a proven link between a banned terrorist organisation and the individual.
I quite like laws, I like them better when they are equally applied
Now that is a reasoned viewpoint....
Not saying I agree with it 100% but it is good to understand someone else's perspective.
There are many, many complicating factors around this, not least the fate of totally innocent unborn child.
It is also easy to skim over the question of nationality of the lady.
Personal view is that she must be allowed in (much as I don't like it) and should be locked up for belonging to a terrorists organisation - a criminal offence in the case of Isis - and the child taken into care.
Sometimes, problems can be solved with a very simple solution. A 9mm haemorrhage for a traitor is a simple, cost effective solution. If the authorities allow her back in, and because of the snowflake liberal lefties you can be sure they will, she’ll still be an extremist albeit an armchair one. She might not physically get her hands dirty but I would put money on it that she’ll instigate or mastermind some sort of misbehaviour. And no prizes for guessing what her offspring will grow up to be if she’s alllwed to bring it up (if you can call it that). Like I said, shoot the bitch and be done with it. One less terrorist on the streets. Simple.
You, however, attempt to over-simplify everything. Like demanding yes or no answers when such a response is not possible. So no, it’s not pot kettle black. Some things are simple and others are not so straightforward. It seems you can’t tell the difference.
So an unborn innocent child becomes a victim?
Can't get my head round that.
Similarly I can't get my head round your opinion that I am over simplifying this - if anything it is the opposite; and it most definitely is contrasted to your 'solution'.
Rather than run in from the surrounding crowd and twist the knife time to time, put your solution up on a pedestal as you seem quick enough to gnaw at everyone else’s. You apologise for having an opinion but have yet to ‘air’ it. The only thing you have offfered is that the security services be allowed to get on with things. You have no idea what they do.... it’s a bit like when the wheel falls off in any public situation, everyone including the haters..... call the police..... why?
The security services come in for a lot of stick but believe it or not ours are the best in the World, I argued against letting terrorists back in the country & I met this reply “How do you think we get information? How do you think we find out where strongholds are? Many that are let back in only have a little information but sometimes we hit the jackpot, that’s how we found Bin Laden & many others”
There is a massive de-radicalisation programme going on in this Country with a lot of information coming from leading Imams.
I still don’t trust the fuckers.
There is a massive de-radicalisation programme going on in this Country with a lot of information coming from leading Imams.
I still don’t trust the fuckers.