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walesyg

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Going at start of next month. Thinking roscoff to le mans. le mans to milau bridge. milau to gorge du verdon. Trying to avoid toll roads.Mix of camping and hotels on my tod. Any suggestions for a route back up to roscoff maybe through some parc nationals. Also anyone seen any decent hi-vis to comply to the new rules?
 

Mr Bean

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Can't help on the routes as never planned one in advance. It has been day by day and see where we stop.

I believe the hi viz is a bit confusing as you only need (I think) 7sq/cm of reflective material and it doesn't all have to be in one place. My HG jacket already exceeds it, yours may too.

I'm probably wrong but it might be worth checking out before spending the cash - unless you want one anyway
 

ceoils

Registered User
hi viz area works out at 4 x swan vesta packets

half a sheet of A4 paper in total spread tween front/back and sleeves
 

Wolfie

Is a lunp
hi viz area works out at 4 x swan vesta packets

half a sheet of A4 paper in total spread tween front/back and sleeves

slight twist on that now.

In an interesting twist, the EU Commission seem to have re-opened the
hi-viz debate.

On 19th July, in response to a question about hi-viz in France, which
was put to the EU Commission by British MEP Roger Helmer, Siim Kallas
(Commission Vice President) answered on behalf of the Commission
outlining the current EU harmonised standards on PPE (personal
protective equipment).

He explained that Directive 89/686/EEC included minimum hi-viz standards
for personal use (EN1150) and for professional use, like police riders
for example, (EN471), which are higher.

Directives don't carry the same legislative weight as Regulations, but
if something within a Directive is to be applied, it must meet the
minimum standard and the minimum standard in this case is actually
1,000cm2 of hi-viz material, not the 150cm2 the French have ruled.
That's six times more hi-viz!

To quote Mr Kallas

?It thus appears that the French rule is based on a mistaken reference
to the requirements of the relevant harmonised standards. The Commission
will contact the French authorities with a view to correcting this mistake.?

This really leaves the French two options. Either, they shelve the idea
altogether, or riders in France will be wrapped up like Turkeys after
Christmas.


As always, we'll keep you posted on developments

--
Paddy Tyson Campaigns Coordinator Motorcycle Action Group www.mag-uk.org
01926 844064
 

57grant

Registered User
Thanks, I was unaware of this french hi viz crap. I simply ride with HID on dip, high viz enough for me. A group of friends are going over in Sept. I will tell them, along with turning off the camera watnings on sat nav, compulsory brethalysers, compulsory lights on in daytome etc, are the French trying to dissuade motorcycling!

Grant
 

ericonblackbird

Registered User
I believe the Hi-Viz law isn't scheduled to come in until Jan 2013 .......... if not I'm fooked, off to France on Monday!

....... got my personal breathalysers ready, but since I've been TT for +20 years I'm really pleased to have to waste my money.
 
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walesyg

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Let us know how it goes. Anyhoo! recommendations still wanted on where to go on the way back up.
 

57grant

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Walsey, I will make you a copy of the excellent "Europes best roads" DVD if you txt me your adress to post to. Covers france in detail with group of sports bike riders, with lots of recommended best biking routes, on bike camera footage. Lots of lingering shots of the models/girlfriends they took along for recreation in the evening as well. It recommends some places to stay as well.

Also go online and check out "best ten driving routes in europe" link.

Dont miss roads round GAP and Sospeil. Amongst the best I have ever ridden anywhere. Varied challenging, great scenery, good surfaces and best of all mostly neutral radiussed bends - Heaven.

And my best suggestion of all, I have become addicted to the small town of Briel-sur-roya near Sospeil. It is situated at the end of a very steep valley where a river disgourges into a large circular lake. First time we went we stayed in the hotel looking over the lace on market day (Tuesday I think-Check) Sunny and beautiful with fantastic resturant and wonderful ice cream. Large number of delightful scantily clad french girls selling trinkets and wood fired pizza, food, wine, cheese etc etc. And the best thing, a band played classical music most of the day from across the lake. Thought I had died in my sleep and gone to heaven.

Enjoy! Grant

07876251906 mobile
 

57grant

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PPS, if you are near Sospiel, dont forget

Col De Turini Type it into google, you will want to ride there,


Grant
 
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walesyg

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Only got 7 days in total. How pricey are the toll roads anyhow and how much time would i save.
 

Jaws

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When we went down to Spain in jan, we was in a hurry so went toll roads ( in the van, cost a fookin fortune, and NOT cheap on a bike )
On the way back we had time to spare so stuck to N roads..
Actually took 12 hours LESS time than going.

If you look at a lot of the Peage routes they take massive detours..
On top of that when the peage roads do track along side an N route, 90% of the time you will find you are travelling at exactly the same speed but with the added bonus of some scenery which is considerably better than a concrete ribbon..

Oh ! And fuel on the peage routes is REALLY considerably more expensive
 

Jaws

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Forgot !
Take my mobile number.. We will be in that area around then.. might be able to do a meet up @tu*
0781 8822887
 

Stevebrooke

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If you visit Viamichelin you can put in a route and it will tell you what the tolls will be.

If you're off to the Gorges du Verdun you might like to come back via part of the "Route des Grandes Alpes", and then stop at this B & B where I've been for the last four years for cycling holidays. Very friendly and secure garage bike storage. The husband can speak reasonable English if your French is no good, and tell them "Monsieur Brooke" sent you - that'll put you in their good books.

Hotel - http://www.chalet-hotelpanoramic.com/accueilangl.htm

http://www.grande-traversee-alpes.com/routes-des-grandes-alpes

Viamichelin - http://www.viamichelin.co.uk/
 

163phil

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A great place to stay if visiting the Gorges du Verdon is Aups. Our favourite campsite, Camping les Pres is open all year & has the best shower you'll find anywhere on a campsite (use the disabled, in an insulated room with heater!) - we'll probably be going down there ourselves in September@tu*

Go back via the Dordogne - the roads around Cahors are built for the Blackbird:lick::-0)
 
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walesyg

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Thanks for all the advice off on the ferry at 7.30 am tomorrow.
 
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