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What you’re overlooking here is that an EV only becomes carbon neutral after covering about 70k miles, because the damage to the environment in their manufacture (well, the batteries, to be precise) is quite significant.

Did you include the burning of cars when the batteries self combust ? (Which has been in the news regularly).
Plumes of black smoke damaging the environment and the extra precautions fire brigades take with electric car fires

This must add a few extra years to the carbon neutral target?
 

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Did you include the burning of cars when the batteries self combust ? (Which has been in the news regularly).
Plumes of black smoke damaging the environment and the extra precautions fire brigades take with electric car fires

This must add a few extra years to the carbon neutral target?
I find it amazing that when an EV catches fire it is big news to the EV cynics/haters who ignore the fact that ICEs also go up in smoke.

it was the same when LPG powered cars were beginning to make an impact - the default position of many was that they were likely to explode at any given moment. Which was utter tosh.

Some people just don’t like change and/or are resistant to new technology.
 

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I find it amazing that when an EV catches fire it is big news to the EV cynics/haters who ignore the fact that ICEs also go up in smoke.

it was the same when LPG powered cars were beginning to make an impact - the default position of many was that they were likely to explode at any given moment. Which was utter tosh.

Some people just don’t like change and/or are resistant to new technology.
I don’t so much have the problem with EVs. My issue is with that wanker Ed Millipede et al that are forcing us into them. I am not ok with that.
 

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Motion sickness can take place in the most surprising circumstances.
I was diving with a buddy over at Lundy island in the early 2000s, not very deep about 18/20 metres on the second dive of the day. We were on the remains of a wreck but there was a heavy ground swell and the wreck and seabed seemed to be moving back and forth but obviously it was us being sloshed to and fro. I found it uncomfortable and disorienting and was about to abort when my buddy signaled something amiss. I was about to investigate the problem when he was promptly sick into his demand valve and was becoming distressed. Luckily no debris stuck in the exhaust flap so he could continue to breathe normally although understandingly he was starting to hyperventilate. When I calmed him down we decided to abort just in case it happened again which it did the moment we surfaced.
My feeling of nausea was forgotten in the moment of starting to deal with the situation, I guess adrenaline took over and luckily prioritised my physiological needs.
 

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Lincolnshire blood bikes used to have a Honda NC700. Only used it once & all I remember about it was the seat had very little padding, so was really uncomfortable after 40 minutes, not ideal when I was out most of the day, and I had motion sickness from riding it to the point I stopped at Boots for some Kwells.

Now I'm not adverse to riding bikes with soft(ish) suspension, after all my main bike is a Triumph Tiger XC, but there was just something about the NC700 that I couldn't get to grips with. It's the only bike I've felt travel sick on, although when I was pre-teen, I used to feel car sick in the back of my dad's Ford Corsair.
 

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Motion sickness can take place in the most surprising circumstances.
I was diving with a buddy over at Lundy island in the early 2000s, not very deep about 18/20 metres on the second dive of the day. We were on the remains of a wreck but there was a heavy ground swell and the wreck and seabed seemed to be moving back and forth but obviously it was us being sloshed to and fro. I found it uncomfortable and disorienting and was about to abort when my buddy signaled something amiss. I was about to investigate the problem when he was promptly sick into his demand valve and was becoming distressed. Luckily no debris stuck in the exhaust flap so he could continue to breathe normally although understandingly he was starting to hyperventilate. When I calmed him down we decided to abort just in case it happened again which it did the moment we surfaced.
My feeling of nausea was forgotten in the moment of starting to deal with the situation, I guess adrenaline took over and luckily prioritised my physiological needs.
The only time I have suffered with motion sickness or maybe vertigo is looking out of an airliner window on take off when it went straight into low cloud which I wasn’t expecting. No idea if I was right way up or upside down with no visual references to lock on to. Most disconcerting.

Strangely I took off in similar conditions last week but I was expecting visual references to disappear in the same way due to very low cloud- which they did - and it didn’t affect me at all.

Another weird thing happened to me when I was reversing the car into a parallel parking spot - there was a bus in a bus stop on the other side of the road, i completely lost all sense of what I was doing, eventually realised that the bus was creeping forward very slowly - presumably my brain was thinking it was stationary . A really, really unpleasant experience.
 
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JayTee

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The only time I have suffered with motion sickness or maybe vertigo is looking out of an airliner window on take off when it went straight into low cloud which I wasn’t expecting. No idea if I was right way up or upside down with no visual references to lock on to. Most disconcerting.

Strangely I took off in similar conditions last week but I was expecting visual references to disappear in the same way due to very low cloud- which they did - and it didn’t affect me at all.

Another weird thing happened to me when I was reversing the car into a parallel parking spot - there was a bus in a bus stop on the other side of the road, i completely lost all sense of what I was doing, eventually realised that the bus was creeping forward very slowly - presumably my brain was thinking it was stationary . A really, really unpleasant exp.
Whenever we took the boat out it was de rigueur to have a packet of stugeron tablets in yer kit. They worked pretty good most the time for me although others swear by weird combinations of root ginger, Mars bar and a cup of tea etc.
Disorientation is different from motion sickness and can be initiated by the loss of visibility, either is not good underwater and can unfortunately lead to the greatest fatality risk of all……Panic. Seen it with me own eyes had to deal with people in the grip of it, scary!
 

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Here is another reason to absolutely not never in a hundred years it’s a terrible idea and anyway it will spontaneously combust and burn your house down have an EV………use the EV battery to run your home…it’s known as ‘islanding’ (as opposed to ‘cottaging’). Charge your EV overnight at current price 7p per kw (over a six hour cheap rate period that should generate in the region of 18kw) and then use it to power the home . We use around 10kw per day in the home on average so still c 100kw left in the car for actually driving it. Plus having 100+ kw on tap from the EV in the event of a power cut.

Still need to do more research but the technology is there, with the eagerly awaited Zappi 3 charging point due to be launched shortly that will simplify the process and integrate with existing solar installations, not least (vitally) in terms of isolating the EV output into the home from the grid for safety reasons (hence ‘islanding’). Obviously a short term cost v long term benefit calculation is required which is not feasible at the moment…….

It’s all witchcraft I tell you……
 

JayTee

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Here is another reason to absolutely not never in a hundred years it’s a terrible idea and anyway it will spontaneously combust and burn your house down have an EV………use the EV battery to run your home…it’s known as ‘islanding’ (as opposed to ‘cottaging’). Charge your EV overnight at current price 7p per kw (over a six hour cheap rate period that should generate in the region of 18kw) and then use it to power the home . We use around 10kw per day in the home on average so still c 100kw left in the car for actually driving it. Plus having 100+ kw on tap from the EV in the event of a power cut.

Still need to do more research but the technology is there, with the eagerly awaited Zappi 3 charging point due to be launched shortly that will simplify the process and integrate with existing solar installations, not least (vitally) in terms of isolating the EV output into the home from the grid for safety reasons (hence ‘islanding’). Obviously a short term cost v long term benefit calculation is required which is not feasible at the moment…….

It’s all witchcraft I tell you……
That concept was discussed several years ago at the role out of EVs in the Engineer magazine ( The same mag as the post I put up per the synthesis of jet fuel).A source of storage that could be used both individually and for the grid nationwide but like a lot of things the infrastructure is sadly lacking as is the capacity for generating power.