Or the devil you know or prolonged uncertainty.....
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Uncertainty of brexit every time! We have lost our mojo under the EU which is full of begging bowls. If the EEC had remained with the richer nations it would have been good but politicians are for ever empire building. They won't be happy until every begging bowl in Europe and beyond is being filled resulting in more and more jobs for the boys. The euro will die first because Germany is not willing to fund it so that even Greece can borrow at the same rate as all the others. The EU will fall soon after. A failed experiment. Too big to succeed and far too fast.
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Your 'red hand is showing
I don't have any time for him but I don't think people are taking seriously the border security issues and the consequent cost to life and financially.
You want to see Saracens along the hundreds of crossings again. Met them a few times.
There is serious concern among people who are closer to the problem.
There are factories near the border whose workforce crosses the border every day.
awaiting tsunami
Possibly Alec. The IRA turned to peace because they had been beaten in their "armed struggle" and for no other reason. We still have a few dozen nutters on both sides but their days are numbered. We know the EU will use the backstop to keep us in the EU and paying for as long as they can. Britain does not need a hard border but the EU does (In the EU rules) so let the EU sort out whatever they want to solve THEIR problem. Agreeing to accept it was our problem was a fatal error for Mrs May and her EU loving civil service.
I wonder if the world was a better place before the concept of countries came into being?
Just watched a documentary on organised crime in Dublin in the last forty years that may interest you - Underworld: Dublin Gangland on national geo. IRA featured heavily.
Along with all the normal suspects who claim 'I never hurt anyone', conveniently ignoring the impact of having a gun pointed at your face or being covered in petrol and having a cigarette lighter held over you.
This sums up my feelings perfectly....
Soubry: 'I am ashamed to call myself a Conservative'
PACopyright: PA
Backbench Tory and staunch Remainer Anna Soubry has written to her constituents, telling them she is "ashamed" to be a member of her party.
In the newsletter from the Beeston MP, she writes: "Today I am ashamed to call myself a Conservative given the irresponsible actions of a small group of Conservative MPs who have called a vote of no confidence in the prime minister, Theresa May.
"The last thing our country needs or wants is a change in prime minister."
Ms Soubry says she does believe in a "change in direction on Brexit" and that Mrs May "will have no other option than to return the matter and her deal to the people".
But she adds: "Removing her from office at this most critical of times, is most certainly not in the national interest.
"The small group of MPs who have put in 48 letters of no confidence represent the right wing of the Conservative Party who have blighted the party for decades.
"Unfortunately, like too many other prime ministers before her, Theresa has overly indulged them instead of seeing them off - I hope she will this evening."
Soubry: 'I am ashamed to call myself a Conservative'
PACopyright: PA
Backbench Tory and staunch Remainer Anna Soubry has written to her constituents, telling them she is "ashamed" to be a member of her party.
In the newsletter from the Beeston MP, she writes: "Today I am ashamed to call myself a Conservative given the irresponsible actions of a small group of Conservative MPs who have called a vote of no confidence in the prime minister, Theresa May.
"The last thing our country needs or wants is a change in prime minister."
Ms Soubry says she does believe in a "change in direction on Brexit" and that Mrs May "will have no other option than to return the matter and her deal to the people".
But she adds: "Removing her from office at this most critical of times, is most certainly not in the national interest.
"The small group of MPs who have put in 48 letters of no confidence represent the right wing of the Conservative Party who have blighted the party for decades.
"Unfortunately, like too many other prime ministers before her, Theresa has overly indulged them instead of seeing them off - I hope she will this evening."
This has been the problem all along....she never supported Brexit in the first place. How could we have expected her to then get us the best deal when she never believed in Brexit to begin with...?
I suspect that although it was gutless of Cameron to have legged it once the referendum vote was clear, if he'd stayed then we'd be in the same boat as we are now, because he wouldn't have put his all into the negotiations as he also is Pro EU.
It might have gone differently if we had had a Prime Minister who was Pro Brexit.
Who will do a better job??
Had to chuckle just now listening to one of the 48 moaning ‘it’s all happened too quickly’.
Mrs May has today cancelled a trip to Dublin to try and sort out the border issue and cancelled a cabinet meeting. Both ahead of an EU summit tomorrow to continue brexit negotiations.
TwAts..
Mrs May has today cancelled a trip to Dublin to try and sort out the border issue and cancelled a cabinet meeting. Both ahead of an EU summit tomorrow to continue brexit negotiations.
TwAts..
Regardless of how you voted or what your feelings/opinions/fears etc the democratic vote was to leave. When I relinquished my membership of East Leeds working men’s club I did not invoke any article, I did not negotiate for two years I left, plain & simple, we did not vote for negotiations we voted to leave, is that such a difficult concept for our elected members to understand.
Would that it were that simple.
But it is that simple, what are they going to do if we leave without a deal? Make no mistake other Countries are waiting to see what happens & then see how many follow us, whatever deal they come up with will keep us tied to them but without any benefits, the only way is a no deal brexit.
If it is that simple why are we nearly two years down the road with total confusion around the whole thing?
It isn't and never was going to be simple.
And I am not saying that simply as I think Brexit is dumb beyond belief, just observing the reality.
I took out an insurance policy on a property today - the first four pages of the policy document were headed 'Brexit' and the possible implications on the insurance provider and what this could mean to the policy holder. Says it all.
Ps the insurance company is going offshore. They think. But they aren't sure as they are as confused as everyone else.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is trouble.
Another in a position of influence that has never experienced or has any concept about real life.
Another in a position of influence that has never experienced or has any concept about real life.
He is fun for an ex-banker though, isn't he.
Just talks a load of crap.
Hmmmmmmmm.....
Ummm
Your MEPs do have a vote and PM has input at the table.