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Interesting case involving 2 vehicles on a country road

4_4_2

Registered User
mmm, so two people driving along a country road have a head on collision and a judge decides they were both to blame.....didn't really need a judge to work that out surely? the range rover admitted he was on the wrong side of the road before the crash, causing the oncoming driver to panic brake and crash into him, albeit by then on HIS side of the road...

550:50 makes sense to me..
 

Rheumatoid

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mmm, so two people driving along a country road have a head on collision and a judge decides they were both to blame.....didn't really need a judge to work that out surely? the range rover admitted he was on the wrong side of the road before the crash, causing the oncoming driver to panic brake and crash into him, albeit by then on HIS side of the road...

550:50 makes sense to me..

can't be arsed to read it yet but if a car was coming at me on my side of the road I would enter his side of the road to take evasive action if there was no way round him on my verge. If he then moves in to his own side of the road again and I end up hitting him I would say the RR driver is at fault all round.

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Jaws

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Not me.. Cos matey might well try and revert back to his side of the road at any second !
I would get as far over as possible even mounting a bank in needs be and then brace myself !!

Apart from anything else, if there is going to be a collision the ONLY way you will not be found at fault is if you are on your side of the road ! :-0)
 

Rheumatoid

B.I.R.D Intellectual
That would always be the preferred option but if there is no space to the left due to trees or steep banking etc I think I would be left with little choice.
 

Rheumatoid

B.I.R.D Intellectual
He might also have lost control and be heading straight for my verge. I guess you would have to make an instantaneous judgment call based on what you felt was your best option at the time. I don't think possible fault would feature prominently in my thinking.
 

Jaws

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Hmmm.. I have now read most of the transcript and although the evidence does point to the RR driver being at fault, I have to take in to account the statement of the woman who says something along the lines of 'suddenly the RR was in front of me'

That does suggest the woman was either not concentrating and was somehow distracted from the job in hand, or was simply a poor driver who panicked.

Lets say I am just glad I did not have to preside !
 
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Boggymarsh

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An interesting read.

Without seeing pictures, scene examination diagrams etc it is difficult to make an assessment on just the words in the transcript. However, it is interesting to note that there is much expert witness evidence submitted with regards to the actions and position of the Range Rover, right down to 0.5cm in one part, but that there is no evidence to prove or disprove the claimants account that she braked and steered to her nearside on seeing the approaching Range Rover, yet the car did not respond. If there were tyre marks left on the road by the RR, what about any left by the VW? Equally, there is no mention of weather or road conditions eg wet with fallen leaves covering the carriageway. It was agreed that her speed was not the issue, so what was? Was there a mechanical defect that caused the car not to respond to her steering input? Did her car skid under heavy braking or was there a tyre blow out? This part of the investigation, to me, is a crucial part of this case and yet remains missing. Why?

In summing up, the judge has found that the claiment, on the balance of probability, was distracted by the Mazda and the RR was too far over to start off with and so apportions equal blame but to me, without the expert witness evidence concluding what actually caused the VW to collide with the RR, I believe the judge has not taken into account all aspects of this RTC and was wrong in his direction at that time.

Was there a magistrates hearing for careless and inconsiderate driving before this?
 
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Boggymarsh

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Just thinking about things a bit more...if the judge believed that the RR driver was to start off with too far over the imaginary centre line, does this raise the question within the realms of advance driving about using all available road space to get the best possible view of the road ahead? I will regularly drive or ride well off what many would class as being the right side of he road but do so to get a view as far down the road as possible. Equally, I will, where the view is good, the road is clear and it is safe, overtake on both left and right bends. To many motorists that is a no-no but to me it's about making progress. I wonder if the judge had ever taken any advanced driving lessons?:dunno:
 
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