Givi luggage and high speed

[ukbanker1]

Guys

Who tours with the givi wingrack and 3 box set ?.

I have the E46 top and smaller sides. I tend to travel with just the sides if I can get away with it.

I do find the bird unstable at high speed and slightly un nerving does anyone else have a view on this.

I am thinking about travelling with a Tail bag and top box to minimise the wind resistance issues but dont want to have to buy even more luggage !!!.

 

[richard]

ummm worth putting a search on this one m8 lodas stuff on it im going to stick with my oxford stuff



cheers
richard

 

[DLN1965]

Ive gotta a lot of luggage space...

I use Maxia for everyday use (I take a lot of stuff with me) and I also have E141 for the panniers (currently in the loft awaiting my holidays)
PLUS I have a baglux tank harness with a two tier bag. (don't recommend this one as the speedo cant be read when full)

Unstable at high speeds ?????

Well what is 'high speed' ?

I have easily managed ton up, (plenty more from the bike) and its steady as a rock BUT a bit heavy...Its more stable at slightly above 'legal' rather than at lower speed, as arms ache after a while.

OK..when fully loaded there are no traffic light high jinx or taking on the odd 'boy racer' BUT are they able to carry as much kit ?
And if you want to have fun......Take the box's off and leave them in the hotel... then its time for FUN :neenaw:

If you want a sports bike...Buy a Blackbird
If you want a tourer .........Buy a Blackbird
If you want the best bike in the world (probably).....Buy a Blackbird

We all know the bird will fit in any category, But its personal choice.
We all like to make our bikes individual and suit our own needs/wants.
As for me I stick to what I bought the bike for.... a bit of everything and its the best decision I ever made! (except for marrying the missus...! ... She will read this !)

Thats my tuppence worth

Givi luggage are GREAT... But it will not suit all tastes.
(And just be careful when loading them, they all carry a maximum load notice which we ALL ignore just so we can squeeze a little extra in)

Cheers and happy touring ! :beer:
Darren

 

[CiaoPaddy]

I bombed around Europe for a few weeks with three 50 litre Maxia boxes on ( I think they're only recommended for the top). I also had a Baglux bag on, and had no great problems.

It did start into a weave at about 120mph, which was getting fairly serious by 150, but anything less was fine.

I have noticed that taking both hands off the bars at around 30-40 causes it to go into a bit of a wobble, even with just a topbox, but that's hardly a real issue.

 

[richard]

I use the Baglux tank cover and tank bag on the front and they are the Muts Nuts..............


:bow: :bow: :bow:


richard

 

[ukbanker1]

Paddy Costi.....

Paddy

Is that you mate, how are the Renegades ?.

I will be in Mayo the first week of April, I am travelling to Dublin to see Ireland Trash England at Lansdowne Road on the 30th and down to Mayo the following week !.

Are you around ?

 

[birdinflight]

stop playing................

in and out of the white lines then!!!!!!!!

Seriously, Derek and I tour two up with three boxes, heavily loaded sometimes, and have no problems. At low speeds the bike can feel unstable but if you don't grip the bars with a deathwish and just go with it, it will be fine. At high speeds there is no problem at all.

Perhaps you are tensing up waiting for something to happen thus transferring that tension to the bike handling?????:dunno:

 

[Bruce H]

For what it's worth, I have just fitted a wingrack and a pair of E360's as panniers I found all well until 95-100mph when I noticed some vibration from the rear. It was time to slow down then anyway and I haven't tried riding through it. With one E360 as topbox it was fine to 120 as you would expect.
I was going to ask on the forum myself about this.

 

[D.S.]

If you want a tourer .........Buy a Blackbird

Sorry, don't agree. If you want a tourer buy something that already comes with luggage built in 'cos you're buying a dedicated package then; one that has been designed and constructed for that purpose. That's why you guys are getting high speed wobbles and weaving; you don't experience this sensation on Pans, etc. or if you do, it's far less.
Essentially you are compromising stability above certain speeds by using any form of luggage, more so with huge panniers and top boxes :dunno:

 

[birdinflight]

ooooooooooooo..............

think I may disagree sort of with you Joeboy!!!!!!! Panniers are only designed to hold so much weight wise, even a BMW with built in panniers can only take so much weight wise before the handling is compromised. All bikes need to be set up to compensate.

The bird was not designed to take panniers BUT it is a sports-tourer. You lose some of the sports when you stick luggage on.

Like a car when you load up the boot with luggage the handling is going to be compromised. So you disperse it around the car by putting stuff on the back seat, you balance it out.

On the bird as with most bikes you have to make sure that your luggage is evenly distributed. Level in each pannier. Remember that all that weight is behind the rear wheel.

When you carry a pillion, depending on their size you should alter the pre load. When you carry luggage you should do the same. You adjust the suspension to counteract the extra weight. Our bird is set up for that already. We have absolutely no problems at all with instability or weave and we have ridden for long periods at 140mph.

If you load your bike up with luggage and maybe a pillion and do not make any adjustments to the bike at all then it will not be surprising that you have problems. Thats what preload is for.

The difference with panniers and no panniers, pillion and no pillion, (and to the extreme full tank and low tank!!!! )is noticeable to Derek, he can feel the changes. BUT it does not change the bike handling as the bike is setup for for the extra weight.

Bit fiddly on the bird with the altering of the pre load, but worth looking at. If you ride your bird most of the time solo, then think that you can ride it fully loaded with panniers and your missus without altering anything then you need to think again!!!!

 

[DLN1965]

SPOT ON B.I.F.

Ok I mentioned that the bike with hard luggage would not suit all tastes !
BUT to me the Blackbird has ALL the qualities of Tourer, Sports daily commuter AND (of course) THE BEST CLUB WEBPAGE

But again it may not be the best at one thing BUT it is the BEST at most things and can cover more than one catagory
...Sports...Tourer...Commuter ...Courier (yes its true, I know a few!)...........etc ......etc

But B.I.F. is SPOT on with the loading advice :k
DO follow the loading instructions with any of your your cases/bags/luggage !
And spread the load!
Probably why mine handled well with full tankbags and 3 cases (AND the hefty rider) this must have 'spread the load' quite well!

Well off to the loft and bring out the panniers so I can load up and test the pre-load! :f
Cheers
Darren
:beer:

 

[Judge Dredd]

BIF could not have put it better

myself.
With myself, Carol and fully loaded panniers 14lb each side and 28lb in the top plus tank bag. Speeds of 140mph plus last year no problems, no wobbles. If you do not adjust the preload to compensate, the front goes light because of the extra weight and that affects handling at greater speeds

 

[1200Pete]

Oo, Oo, I know this one...
Last year I had the good fortune to get an invite from Avon tyres to spend a day with them at Bruntingthorpe proving grounds, as I was experiencing the afore mentioned high speed wobbles.

Well a full day of blasting down a two mile runway with every kind of luggage weight and arrangement and hears my findings

1, Tank bag, top box, two panniers, evenly weighted, no pillion at 120 mph getting a bit dodgy

2, Top box, panniers, evenly weighted, no pillion 130 mph then weave

3, as above but uneven weight distribution, no difference !!.

4, Panniers only 150 mph

5, Top box only 165 mph

6, No luggage but bags of lead shot tapped to the back of the bike to simulate the same weight 195 mph no weave

7, top box, panniers and pillion 175 mph (starting to weave a little but bike would go no faster any way)

8, Top box and pillion 180 mph no weave

All testing was done in the prone position.

So the out come seems to be aerodynamics not weight, the addition of a pillion seems to smooth the flow of air around the luggage, allowing you to go faster.

So I guess if you want to go high speed turing find a really brave or dumb person to sit on the back R#?

 

[D.S.]

so there you go Ukbanker

I do find the bird unstable at high speed and slightly un nerving does anyone else have a view on this.

You ain't got the loading technique right mate
:dunno:
Personally, I'd just hire Eddie Stoppard if I wanted to take the kitchen sink abroad :}

 

[Rolfy Dave]

Well, heres my tuppence worth .....

Last year at the Thetford bash, we attended with 3x44ltr boxes on a Kappa wingrack, and a Baglux Alpha fully loaded. Plus of course, Jan & I (bugger me, that was WELL over th 30 stone limit...LOL)

When we left Hustanton and spent a lovely night in a 4 star hotel on Sunday night. We then carved our way over to Peterborough whilst chasing a Jaguar along the A148, then the A47 at speed of up to 130 mph (well, he wanted to race...LOL) Unfortunately, I couldnt get the bird to go any faster (I even told Jan to ditch the luggage, so I could get past the sod...Hee hee)

But even than we had no probs with handling (apart from getting the bloody things round the corners with the extra weight on board) and we had it loaded up to the gunnels.

I think I learnt my lesson from the lake district the previous year, as it makes a hell of a difference having everything balanced out.

Bit long, sorry, but I tell it as I see it..

The bird really is for us the ultimate high speed tourer (who wants a Pan ??? Anya tells me its an old mans bike... I didnt believe a word of it Clive...LOL)

Good riding,

Rolfy & Jan

 

[D.S.]

So, are you all telling me that luggage doesn't create additional turbulance which

in turn has any effect on stability (irrespective of ya loading techniques)???

whilst chasing a Jaguar along the A148, then the A47 at speed of up to 130 mph (well, he wanted to race...LOL) Unfortunately, I couldnt get the bird to go any faster (I even told Jan to ditch the luggage, so I could get past the sod...Hee hee)

so ya might as well of been on an old mans bike then Dave (lol) That aside, I bet that was frustrating, not being able to whip a Jags arse. Would you have whipped it's arse without luggage???

Personally, unless it's a Ferrari or a top range Porche I don't bother 'cos it's not even a competition :}

 

[PsychoBikerBen]

Jesus Christ !!!!

What the fecks wrong with stuffin a couple of spare boxers & a toothbrush under ya seat and using a tank bag for other essentials.
Lets face it,most of U lot like to 'La-di-da it in hotels so all ya need is ya dosh.
It's about time you lot used tents.Then U might have an excuse to buy ugly lumps of plastic and bolt them onto ya machines.
Take a machine that's been designed in a wind tunnel and finely honed by little eastern folk,revel in it's performance and style ..........& then bolt on a couple of large bricks !!!! Mmmmm,yea ,sure that's gunna make it handle like it's just left the factory.


All the above is cos it's Thursday:rant:

 

[Samster]

............or you can do what I did for the Bulldog Bash and use a tankbag plus one of them massive expedition rucksacks strapped to your back.............you know the ones that are about 4 foot tall with the aliminium frame inside...........lovely, and they're so big that the base sits on the pillion seat creating a lovely backrest..............

 

[birdinflight]

Hmmmmmmmmm............

Originally posted by SamsterXX
............or you can do what I did for the Bulldog Bash and use a tankbag plus one of them massive expedition rucksacks strapped to your back.............you know the ones that are about 4 foot tall with the aliminium frame inside...........lovely, and they're so big that the base sits on the pillion seat creating a lovely backrest..............

and then when you come off with that accident the surgeons will have to spend more time removing that lovely rucksack tubular frame from its resting place with in your back...........????

God you two have obviously got out of the wrong side of bed this morning!!!!! :}

Since I don't where boxers it poses a problem with me! Anyways, we don't have any problem with luggage so we are not complaining. :f

 

[D.S.]

Take a machine that's been designed in a wind tunnel and finely honed by little eastern folk,revel in it's performance and style ..........& then bolt on a couple of large bricks !!!! Mmmmm,yea ,sure that's gunna make it handle like it's just left the factory.

Now that is fooking funny. Can you just imagine Honda putting a blacky through a tunnel with a top box the size of the dome and panniers the size of skips attached :}
And then imagine their offical statistics and specifications in their marketing stuff. They'd have to have two sets of stats; one for the pipe & slipper brigade the other for standard use:}