For all you EV haters

[andyBeaker]

You are wrong

Picked one of these up as a loaner this morning and it is phenomally fantastic in every possible way

Not sure about the £129k price tag though

 

[Malone]

Very bold of you to invent a new word mid-sentence


phenomally - coming to a dictionary near you soon!

you bought the Temu cheaper version of phenomenally to save a bit of typing.

 

[andyBeaker]

Very bold of you to invent a new word mid-sentence


phenomally - coming to a dictionary near you soon!

you bought the Temu cheaper version of phenomenally to save a bit of typing.

You are awarded today’s ’Daily Smartarse Brownie Point’.

What goes around……

 

[derek kelly]

There are a lot of positives with ev’s however there are many negatives, my objections are battery range, charging time, battery disposal, also over time batteries lose efficiency so what might start out giving you 350 miles after a couple of years might be returning 250 miles, resale value would be shite

 

[Pow-Lo]

You are wrong

Picked one of these up as a loaner this morning and it is phenomally fantastic in every possible way

Not sure about the £129k price tag though

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I've read that some owners of these (on BMW forums, before you ask) have been unable to insure them because they cost over £100k. Personally, I find that hard to believe as there are quite a few cars on the road that exceed that sort of price tag.

 

[Malone]

I found it very difficult to find an insurance company to cover my new MH as that also was well above the seemingly magic £100k mark

 

[Cougar377]

I've read that some owners of these (on BMW forums, before you ask) have been unable to insure them because they cost over £100k. Personally, I find that hard to believe as there are quite a few cars on the road that exceed that sort of price tag.

1 million AA batteries ain't cheap.

 

[andyBeaker]

There are a lot of positives with ev’s however there are many negatives, my objections are battery range, charging time, battery disposal, also over time batteries lose efficiency so what might start out giving you 350 miles after a couple of years might be returning 250 miles, resale value would be shite

yes, positives and negatives (no pun intended). I Couldn’t quite get myself over the line to go EV last time but if we needed two cars one would definitely be a small EV for running round locally. There was a good programme on either channel 4 or 5 this week that debunked the battery degradation concern (actually speaking to people who work on EVs rather than doris on Facebook) …yes there is degradation but it isn’t significant. The overall conclusions they came to were a) if you can’t home charge the cost of public chargers largely negate the perceived savings on fuel and b) the smart buy is a nearly new EV as first year depreciation is massive.

Either way the iX M60 loaner is phenomonominamanimal.

 

[Pow-Lo]

I don't hate EVs. Like almost everything else, they have their place and their function. If I was purely office based, one of these would make perfect sense for me; my commute is 17 miles total per day, so I could likely get away with charging a half decent one every three weeks or so.

For Mrs P, who commutes to Heathrow, it would be an absolute nightmare and ostensibly unworkable unless she bought one of the loooo-oooo-ooodicrously expensive ultra-high range models. A trolley dolly she flew with recently lives in, and commutes from, Bridgend to Heathrow, which is about 155 miles each way give or take. Silly Knickers bought a second hand Nissan Leaf. After leaving home, she has to stop at Magor services to recharge and again at Reading. When she had a car with a proper engine, she used to allow four hours for her commute but now she has to allow for closer to six. On the way home, she has to do the reverse. Now imagine doing that after an 11 hour night flight home from, say, LA, San Francisco or something. She obviously never thought that through particularly well. She wants to go back to a car with a proper engine but will get stiffed on trying to shift a crap EV (soz, but the Leaf is crap) with two previous owners.

In five short years from now, if I want a new car, I'll be forced to buy a f'ing EV. I am not ok with that. If the idiots who we elected to represent and look after us gave up on the climate lie and allowed the sale of ICE cars alongside EVs, I'm thinking more people might take up the EV because they'd have the ability to buy the car they want with the powertrain of their own choosing instead of being railroaded into something they wouldn't ordinarily want.

Some areas where I live, it is not physically possible to charge an EV at their own home. In the Valleys, a significant number of the populous open their front doors onto the pavement of a main road and there's double yellows. They have no rear lane access. Assuming they have a car, where do they charge an EV? The daughter and S-i-L of a dear friend of mine have just bought a used EV, a f'ing Leaf no less, and they have nowhere to charge it, so where it needs charging one of them has to take it to a local supermarket and sit there for a couple of hours. The worst thing is, they were warned about this before they bought it. Twats.

 

[Pow-Lo]

yes, positives and negatives (no pun intended). I Couldn’t quite get myself over the line to go EV last time but if we needed two cars one would definitely be a small EV for running round locally. There was a good programme on either channel 4 or 5 this week that debunked the battery degradation concern (actually speaking to people who work on EVs rather than doris on Facebook) …yes there is degradation but it isn’t significant. The overall conclusions they came to were a) if you can’t home charge the cost of public chargers largely negate the perceived savings on fuel and b) the smart buy is a nearly new EV as first year depreciation is massive.

Either way the iX M60 loaner is phenomonominamanimal.

Can you remember the name of the programme? I'd like to watch that.

 

[Malone]

Can you remember the name of the programme? I'd like to watch that.

Torchy, the battery boy

 

[andyBeaker]

Can you remember the name of the programme? I'd like to watch that.

 

[Lee337]

My Aunt has a Tesla, bought new. The battery range is now down to less than 100 miles after 5 years.

She's been trying to sell it for a while but it's only worth scrap value as to replace the batteries (which is what's needed) is too much.

It now gets used for the shopping run only. Anything else & the Range Rover gets used.

I've recently been looking at self charging hybrids as plug ins aren't any good for me unless i rewire the house first, but the mpg, even with a fully functioning electric capacity mpg is far short of my existing diesel car. No matter how I look at it, I can't make the figures add up.

I've also looked at electric bikes, specifically Zeros, even test ride one & if I was still commuting to work might even have one, except I think they're over priced, even 2nd hand.

I don't think the infrastructure is in place in the UK yet either, or the electric generating capacity, especially during the colder months

 

[Pow-Lo]

My Aunt has a Tesla, bought new. The battery range is now down to less than 100 miles after 5 years.

She's been trying to sell it for a while but it's only worth scrap value as to replace the batteries (which is what's needed) is too much.

It now gets used for the shopping run only. Anything else & the Range Rover gets used.

I've recently been looking at self charging hybrids as plug ins aren't any good for me unless i rewire the house first, but the mpg, even with a fully functioning electric capacity mpg is far short of my existing diesel car. No matter how I look at it, I can't make the figures add up.

I've also looked at electric bikes, specifically Zeros, even test ride one & if I was still commuting to work might even have one, except I think they're over priced, even 2nd hand.

I don't think the infrastructure is in place in the UK yet either, or the electric generating capacity, especially during the colder months

Just a thought, and someone far cleverer than me will need to chime in here, I'm wondering if your aunt charged the car unnecessarily i.e. every day, instead of when needed? Friend of mine leaves her phone on charge overnight, every night and the battery is fucked. She sometime has to charge it twice a day and it's only two years old. Oh, and it's a Samsung

The electric generating capacity is something that has me concerned. I read it somewhere once, Torygraph or Times if memory serves (certainly not f'ing facebook!), that the National Grid does something* at 1944 hours every night, Monday to Friday, to brace themselves for the power surge because of the amount of kettles that get put on to boil when the adverts come on halfway through Coronation Street. I can only imagine the potential surge every night when people get home from work and plug their EVs in.

My neighbour's son took his 34 month old Tesla back to them for a valuation against a new model earlier this year and they offered him £37k against a £60k new model. He was happy with that. He went back a month later with his now 35 month old Tesla (he didn't want to MOT it) to place an order on a new model and they offered him £20k.

Same neighbour's older brother is a director of a medium sized local company and they were discussing new company cars. It was suggested that they as directors ought to start doing the 'right thing' and switching to EVs, and my neighbour's brother was first to bite the bullet. He had a £90k Audi e-tron and shortly after delivery it started going tits up. The local dealer that supplied the car couldn't fix it. The issue was escalated to Audi UK and they couldn't fix it. They subsequently drop kicked it over the North Sea to Audi HQ in Der Vaterland and they couldn't fix it either. The tits up model was punted out at auction on a sold-as-seen basis, no warranty, four months old, fetched £38k. They then refunded the difference.

I'm sticking to my 3 litre Panzers, thanks.


*I'm not an electrician and have no clue about electrics, so a grown up would need to educate me on what the 'something' is.

 

[derek kelly]

Just a thought, and someone far cleverer than me will need to chime in here, I'm wondering if your aunt charged the car unnecessarily i.e. every day, instead of when needed? Friend of mine leaves her phone on charge overnight, every night and the battery is fucked. She sometime has to charge it twice a day and it's only two years old. Oh, and it's a Samsung

The electric generating capacity is something that has me concerned. I read it somewhere once, Torygraph or Times if memory serves (certainly not f'ing facebook!), that the National Grid does something* at 1944 hours every night, Monday to Friday, to brace themselves for the power surge because of the amount of kettles that get put on to boil when the adverts come on halfway through Coronation Street. I can only imagine the potential surge every night when people get home from work and plug their EVs in.

My neighbour's son took his 34 month old Tesla back to them for a valuation against a new model earlier this year and they offered him £37k against a £60k new model. He was happy with that. He went back a month later with his now 35 month old Tesla (he didn't want to MOT it) to place an order on a new model and they offered him £20k.

Same neighbour's older brother is a director of a medium sized local company and they were discussing new company cars. It was suggested that they as directors ought to start doing the 'right thing' and switching to EVs, and my neighbour's brother was first to bite the bullet. He had a £90k Audi e-tron and shortly after delivery it started going tits up. The local dealer that supplied the car couldn't fix it. The issue was escalated to Audi UK and they couldn't fix it. The subsequently drop licked over the North Sea to Audi HQ in Der Vaterland and they couldn't fix it either. The tits up model was punted out at auction on a sold-as-seen basis, no warranty, four months old, fetched £38k. They then refunded the difference.

I'm sticking to my 3 litre Panzers, thanks.


*I'm not an electrician and have no clue about electrics, so a grown up would need to educate me on what the 'something' is.

I posted a while back about a guy on our old Street who has two Teslas & because of the severe drop in battery efficiency he can’t sell them.

 

[andyBeaker]

Just a thought, and someone far cleverer than me will need to chime in here, I'm wondering if your aunt charged the car unnecessarily i.e. every day, instead of when needed? Friend of mine leaves her phone on charge overnight, every night and the battery is fucked. She sometime has to charge it twice a day and it's only two years old. Oh, and it's a Samsung

The electric generating capacity is something that has me concerned. I read it somewhere once, Torygraph or Times if memory serves (certainly not f'ing facebook!), that the National Grid does something* at 1944 hours every night, Monday to Friday, to brace themselves for the power surge because of the amount of kettles that get put on to boil when the adverts come on halfway through Coronation Street. I can only imagine the potential surge every night when people get home from work and plug their EVs in.

My neighbour's son took his 34 month old Tesla back to them for a valuation against a new model earlier this year and they offered him £37k against a £60k new model. He was happy with that. He went back a month later with his now 35 month old Tesla (he didn't want to MOT it) to place an order on a new model and they offered him £20k.

Same neighbour's older brother is a director of a medium sized local company and they were discussing new company cars. It was suggested that they as directors ought to start doing the 'right thing' and switching to EVs, and my neighbour's brother was first to bite the bullet. He had a £90k Audi e-tron and shortly after delivery it started going tits up. The local dealer that supplied the car couldn't fix it. The issue was escalated to Audi UK and they couldn't fix it. The subsequently drop licked over the North Sea to Audi HQ in Der Vaterland and they couldn't fix it either. The tits up model was punted out at auction on a sold-as-seen basis, no warranty, four months old, fetched £38k. They then refunded the difference.

I'm sticking to my 3 litre Panzers, thanks.


*I'm not an electrician and have no clue about electrics, so a grown up would need to educate me on what the 'something' is.

The ‘overcharging’ issue was touched on in the programme.

 

[ChildoftheJago]

£129k....£128k...£127k...£126k... depreciation by the week

 

[andyBeaker]

In case I haven’t mentioned it way the iX M60 loaner is phenomonominamanimal.

Having an unplanned outing tomorrow to double check it is fernomonomnaol.

 

[Oldandbald]

In case I haven’t mentioned it way the iX M60 loaner is phenomonominamanimal.

Having an unplanned outing tomorrow to double check it is fernomonomnaol.

How do you know you're going if it's unplanned?

 

[Squag1]

I've read that some owners of these (on BMW forums, before you ask) have been unable to insure them because they cost over £100k. Personally, I find that hard to believe as there are quite a few cars on the road that exceed that sort of price tag.

Son had trouble with insurance on RS6.
Had to put additional tracker and might have had to lower value.