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Have you hit your head or something? Your first word is ‘bollox’, which indicates disagreement.

Correct. I said that because I don't agree that it's a fad diet. Or if it is then your eating regime is one too.

I’m not on a diet, by definition. My food intake, for want of an expression, doesn’t really change unless I cut back my calories or up my calories depending what I’m trying to achieve in the gym.

Neither does mine. The only difference between yours and mine is in the percentages of fats/protein/carbs we eat.
And I've not bothered to count calories in months yet my weight, body fat and measurements stay the same.


I don’t restrict any one food group because, in my own experience, we need protein, carbs and fats.

Bulkshit.:D Of course you do. Try ramping up your intake of carbs and proteins and see how that works.


As far as I’m concerned, any diet that restricts a food group is a fad.

See answers above. Ergo....by your own admission you must be on a fad.;)

Keto is basically a sensible version of the Atkins diet. The body needs carbs, look at/ask any professional/elite/half serious athlete.

Did you read my post fully.? I didn't say that you don't need carbs, I said that Keto means instead of carbs being my predominant source of energy it's now fats instead.
We're not Olympic athletes but my times on the pushbike and Elayne's times out running are improving all the time. We have increased our weights and have better energy levels for whatever exercise we do. If we've cut back on our Carb intake so much then where are we getting our energy from..?

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My regime isn't a fad because it's consistent and something I've always done (although I don't drink and I avoid fast food). Mine is a lifestyle, not a diet.

No, I don't restrict any food groups. I do up my protein and carbs when trying to add muscle mass. I do gain a little body fat when doing so but that's easy enough to strip off by going into calorie deficit, should I choose/need to.

This time, I call bullshit. I'm not on a fad diet; mine is a lifestyle because it's consistent.

Yes, I read your post fully. As with all those on fad diets, like vegans, vegetablists, etc., it's boring. If your keto works for you, then happy days. What I do works for me and all I really need to do is avoid over-indulging on a regular basis. Even carbs don't make me lethargic.

Improving times on your bike and upping your weights is not solely attributed to your diet. That's simple progress from challenging yourself and working hard. Arguing where your energy comes from is a misnomer. I hate to say this, but it's the sort of argument forwarded by those on fad diets desperate to prove that their method works and everyone else is wrong (although it's almost always militant vegans that pull that stunt). Diesel, petrol, LPG all work to 'propel' cars, it's just personal choice whichever you want to use. Same with carbs or fat. I use both but for different purposes.
 

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My regime isn't a fad because it's consistent and something I've always done (although I don't drink and I avoid fast food). Mine is a lifestyle, not a diet.

No, I don't restrict any food groups. I do up my protein and carbs when trying to add muscle mass. I do gain a little body fat when doing so but that's easy enough to strip off by going into calorie deficit, should I choose/need to.

This time, I call bullshit. I'm not on a fad diet; mine is a lifestyle because it's consistent.

Yes, I read your post fully. As with all those on fad diets, like vegans, vegetablists, etc., it's boring. If your keto works for you, then happy days. What I do works for me and all I really need to do is avoid over-indulging on a regular basis. Even carbs don't make me lethargic.

Improving times on your bike and upping your weights is not solely attributed to your diet. That's simple progress from challenging yourself and working hard. Arguing where your energy comes from is a misnomer. I hate to say this, but it's the sort of argument forwarded by those on fad diets desperate to prove that their method works and everyone else is wrong (although it's almost always militant vegans that pull that stunt). Diesel, petrol, LPG all work to 'propel' cars, it's just personal choice whichever you want to use. Same with carbs or fat. I use both but for different purposes.
Wow. Did you not get your protein shake this morning..?
 

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Wow. Did you not get your protein shake this morning..?
Only the one, post-training. Due another mid-afternoon.

Something else I thought of; if carbs make you lethargic, that's usually indicative of insulin sensitivity. Keto is then a handy tool to reset the sensitivity before upping carb intake.
 

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Only the one, post-training. Due another mid-afternoon.

Something else I thought of; if carbs make you lethargic, that's usually indicative of insulin sensitivity. Keto is then a handy tool to reset the sensitivity before upping carb intake.
If carbs are lethargic surely as first port of call they should be balanced?

Ps please try and remember this is a motorised bicycle forum:rolleyes:
 

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Only the one, post-training. Due another mid-afternoon.

Something else I thought of; if carbs make you lethargic, that's usually indicative of insulin sensitivity. Keto is then a handy tool to reset the sensitivity before upping carb intake.
As you mentioned in an earlier post,"ask a professional", well I did. I asked a qualified personal trainer who is also qualified in sports nutrition and who worked as a team fitness trainer at Hampshire Rose Bowl (professional cricket).
Her answer was a couple of questions for you...

What happens to any excess carbs that you don't consume..?

Why do you need to take supplemental protein, etc..? A good balanced diet should be sufficient.

P. S. The professional is my missus and she may be retired from personal training but she still remembers all that stuff she learned.
 

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As you mentioned in an earlier post,"ask a professional", well I did. I asked a qualified personal trainer who is also qualified in sports nutrition and who worked as a team fitness trainer at Hampshire Rose Bowl (professional cricket).
Her answer was a couple of questions for you...

What happens to any excess carbs that you don't consume..?

Why do you need to take supplemental protein, etc..? A good balanced diet should be sufficient.

P. S. The professional is my missus and she may be retired from personal training but she still remembers all that stuff she learned.
Any excess carbs that I don't consume go out with the food recycling every Friday, along with all other foodstuffs that we don't eat.

Presumably, the question was supposed to be 'what happens to excess carbs that are consumed but not used for energy?' They get stored as excess body fat which, oddly enough, is the same as what happens to excess fat consumed that isn't burned as energy.

The 'good balanced diet' argument is not reasonable. Anyone who is half serious about their training should be on a balanced diet anyway. For the avoidance of doubt, my diet is balanced and clean.

If engaged in resistance training, extra protein is required to repair muscle tissue or build muscle (amounts to the same thing) but consuming that amount of protein from solid food sources is not easy. As well as physical discomfort, which would likely occur in the consumption of any excessive food, it can be expensive. I'm on 180 to 200g of protein per day, which would equate to about eight chicken breasts, eight medium steaks or six cans of 150 g (drained weight) of tuna, or a combination thereof. Supplemental protein is a convenience. However, I would expect that your good lady is aware that there's an anabolic window regarding the optimal timing for the consumption of protein after training. Supplement protein, particularly whey, is absorbed much faster than solid sources, such as meat and fish, and is therefore more efficient. If that weren't the case, professionals wouldn't supplement their food intake with protein powders. As well as personal experience, that was advice given to me by a clinical dietician.

A question for you - how does cutting out carbs equate to a balanced diet?
 

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Any excess carbs that I don't consume go out with the food recycling every Friday, along with all other foodstuffs that we don't eat.

Presumably, the question was supposed to be 'what happens to excess carbs that are consumed but not used for energy?' They get stored as excess body fat which, oddly enough, is the same as what happens to excess fat consumed that isn't burned as energy.

The 'good balanced diet' argument is not reasonable. Anyone who is half serious about their training should be on a balanced diet anyway. For the avoidance of doubt, my diet is balanced and clean.

If engaged in resistance training, extra protein is required to repair muscle tissue or build muscle (amounts to the same thing) but consuming that amount of protein from solid food sources is not easy. As well as physical discomfort, which would likely occur in the consumption of any excessive food, it can be expensive. I'm on 180 to 200g of protein per day, which would equate to about eight chicken breasts, eight medium steaks or six cans of 150 g (drained weight) of tuna, or a combination thereof. Supplemental protein is a convenience. However, I would expect that your good lady is aware that there's an anabolic window regarding the optimal timing for the consumption of protein after training. Supplement protein, particularly whey, is absorbed much faster than solid sources, such as meat and fish, and is therefore more efficient. If that weren't the case, professionals wouldn't supplement their food intake with protein powders. As well as personal experience, that was advice given to me by a clinical dietician.

A question for you - how does cutting out carbs equate to a balanced diet?
FFS. :facepalm: One more time for those at the back.

We don't "cut out carbs" (you seem fixated on this) .... we eat significantly less carbs than we used to, but substitute that with more fats.

You eat more protein than the "norm" we eat more fat and less carbs than the norm. In that regard your diet is about as "balanced" as ours.
 

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FFS. :facepalm: One more time for those at the back.

We don't "cut out carbs" (you seem fixated on this) .... we eat significantly less carbs than we used to, but substitute that with more fats.

You eat more protein than the "norm" we eat more fat and less carbs than the norm. In that regard your diet is about as "balanced" as ours.
I've mentioned 'cutting out carbs once'. Please explain how that equates to fixation. The other time I wrote 'restriction of carbs', which is accurate by your own description.

My diet is balanced; taking in more protein doesn't make it as (un)balanced as yours because I don't restrict other macronutrients to accommodate the extra protein. You take in more fat at the expense of carbs which is, by definition, unbalanced.

Boom!
 

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Can I ask if @Poo-Plop being allergic to most food is anything to do with all the extra protein, supplements or nutrients that he takes?
 

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Can I ask if @Poo-Plop being allergic to most food is anything to do with all the extra protein, supplements or nutrients that he takes?
Short answer: no.

Long answer: first of all, I'm not allergic to most food. It seems that way because an awful lot of foods and dishes contain ingredients that I'm allergic to. You try buying a sandwich without egg; any food that lists in the ingredients 'spices' is a no-no because it's almost certain that cinnamon will be in there and I'm allergic to that, too. Tomato sauce (ketchup) is a prime example.

I'm allergic to eggs (which rules out, amongst other things, mayonnaise, egg pasta and even f'ing Mars bars!), milk, whey (I can only use certain types, like hydrolysed or isolate), pineapple, sodium benzoate and its artificial counterpart E211, most berries (because they contain sodium benzoate or a compound that apes it) and pineapple. There's a few others but they have lesser effects. My sodium benzoate allergy rules out most toothpastes, face washes and moisturisers. Oh, and animal fur, pollen and wool. Basically, I'm a total fuck up.

I've had trouble with my respiratory system since I was five years old, which is quite a few years before I discovered the gym and chucking weights around, which is why it's unlikely that my protein intake is causative or contributory to my allergies. I've also been assessed by a clinical dietician and, whilst I have indeed developed some allergies as I've gotten older, it's not protein-related.

When I was a little boy, Ma Plops dragged me around various doctors and specialists trying to find out what was wrong and why I was always snorting like a truck load of pigs and having breathing difficulties. It was pretty much the same answers over and over; 'he's heard big kids at school doing it, he's copying them', 'it's a habit, he'll grow out of it', 'he's just looking for attention', etc. At 14 years old, my GP's response was 'stop smoking', FFS! I wasn't smoking, never have. It's the reason why I don't hold the NHS in the same esteem that some others do because they failed me. It was only at 50 years old when I was living in Singapore that I finally found a surgeon that took me seriously and that was pure accident. I lost my sense of humour after contracting tonsillitis for the fourth time in 18 months and went to an ENT surgeon to see about getting the bastards out. He told me to reign it in and go back to the beginning, so I told him about my respiratory problems and we went from there. After a CAT scan, a week later I spent nearly three hours on the operating slab basically having the inside of my head re-bored. Upshot was my nasal and sinus passages were abnormally narrow, my septum was pissed and I had an abnormal bone growth restricting airflow. Told you I was a fuck up :D That lot sorted out why I couldn't breathe and couldn't clear my sinuses. Next job was to fix why they were filling with snot in the first placed then I was allergy tested. They took about ten gallons of blood out of me, sent it to the States for analysis and the results were quite enlightening.
 

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Bit of a saga all right.
Not unusual for medics not listening.

Brought my daughter to a n e on a Friday because she suddenly couldn't see properly. Come back Monday.
Short version- at another hospital she was sent for scan immediately. Diagnosis was MS. She was sent home with prescription for a truck load of tablets. After a few days she noticed that she still had a load of tablets. The pharmacy had given the wrong instructions. :eek::eek:

I think I already told of friend with ear ache. We refused to leave a n e.
Then when admitted they said weren't you lucky you came in!!!!!
 

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Bit of a saga all right.
Not unusual for medics not listening.

Brought my daughter to a n e on a Friday because she suddenly couldn't see properly. Come back Monday.
Short version- at another hospital she was sent for scan immediately. Diagnosis was MS. She was sent home with prescription for a truck load of tablets. After a few days she noticed that she still had a load of tablets. The pharmacy had given the wrong instructions. :eek::eek:

I think I already told of friend with ear ache. We refused to leave a n e.
Then when admitted they said weren't you lucky you came in!!!!!
It is isn't at all unusual. I tried a number of times as an adult and ended up giving up before I thumped someone. I'm not in any way a violent man but there's only so much sarcasm and patronising that I can put up with. This is why I have little room for the NHS. In their defence, I wouldn't have expected a snot-nosed five-year old with breathing difficulties to have been sent for a CAT scan 48 years ago, but it would have been nice if they'd looked a bit harder and put a bit more effort into an investigation.

In the beginning, I admit that I was mildly cynical regarding my treatment in Singapore because it was all private. The total bill from initial consultancy to final allergy results was well over £30k. Knowing what I know now and the way my life has changed, I'd have paid out of my own pocket.
 
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