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My sincere apologies, that wasn’t my recollection.
No need to apologise, old bean. I was just curious that’s all (y)

I can’t be arsed trawling back through all my posts but for the sake of good order, see post #15 above, where I do state they don’t have to settle in the first safe country. I have, however, asked on a number of occasions why the eff they have to come here, which, I suspect, is where confusion might have arisen. That question has since been answered in this very thread.
 

Duck n Dive

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for Clarification - those arriving in the UK as Asylum seekers only become ‘illegals’ if their application is declined.

Not entirely.

Those who actually succeed in entering the UK via the back of a lorry, small boat etc are illegal the moment they get here.

Those using the boats at the moment are hoping not to get stopped and caught, they seem to believe all the odds are in their favour.

The "secretly enter and do a runner" category is undocumented and unrecorded. All you get is best guess figures.

As I said earlier, I have a genuine concern for the real asylum seekers who are in desperate danger and aren't getting the help they deserve as they get caught up in all this.
 

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Not entirely.

Those who actually succeed in entering the UK via the back of a lorry, small boat etc are illegal the moment they get here.

Those using the boats at the moment are hoping not to get stopped and caught, they seem to believe all the odds are in their favour.

The "secretly enter and do a runner" category is undocumented and unrecorded. All you get is best guess figures.

As I said earlier, I have a genuine concern for the real asylum seekers who are in desperate danger and aren't getting the help they deserve as they get caught up in all this.
I share your concern.

As in all walks of life it is the action of a minority that receive all the attention.
 

ogr1

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Not entirely.

Those who actually succeed in entering the UK via the back of a lorry, small boat etc are illegal the moment they get here.

Those using the boats at the moment are hoping not to get stopped and caught, they seem to believe all the odds are in their favour.

The "secretly enter and do a runner" category is undocumented and unrecorded. All you get is best guess figures.

As I said earlier, I have a genuine concern for the real asylum seekers who are in desperate danger and aren't getting the help they deserve as they get caught up in all this.
So...How do you know they are genuine
asylum seekers when they don't produce any ID?
 

andyBeaker

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So...How do you know they are genuine
asylum seekers when they don't produce any ID?
I will stand corrected but I think the point is that as soon as someone seeks asylum then are categorised as an asylum seeker - they will be pocket ‘illegal’ if asylum not granted. Not sure if ‘producing ID’ is an absolute requirement, but I will be surprised if it is bearing in mind what many are escaping from.
 

derek kelly

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I will stand corrected but I think the point is that as soon as someone seeks asylum then are categorised as an asylum seeker - they will be pocket ‘illegal’ if asylum not granted. Not sure if ‘producing ID’ is an absolute requirement, but I will be surprised if it is bearing in mind what many are escaping from.
What exactly are they escaping from? Not trying to be difficult but all the one’s I’ve seen first hand are too arrogant & streetwise to be refugees.
 

andyBeaker

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What exactly are they escaping from? Not trying to be difficult but all the one’s I’ve seen first hand are too arrogant & streetwise to be refugees.
Do you watch the news? Afghanistan amongst others
 

derek kelly

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Do you watch the news? Afghanistan amongst others
Ah, you mean the Afghanistan that we spent twenty odd years training to defend themselves only for them to run like cowards, good job Britain didn’t have that attitude when Hitler threatened, bit ironic that our Veterans are sleeping in doorways whilst we accommodate these spineless bastards in hotels.
 
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