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andyBeaker

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Can migrants be sent back to France?​

Under international law, people have the right to seek asylum in any country they arrive in. They don't have to seek asylum in the first safe country reached.
However, an EU-wide law called Dublin III, allows asylum seekers to be sent back to the first member state they were proven to have entered.
Between 1 January 2019 and 1 October 2020, 231 migrants who crossed the Channel were returned to mainland Europe using Dublin III.
However, the UK is no longer part of this arrangement since leaving the European Union. The UK has not agreed a scheme to replace it, making the transfer of migrants more difficult.



How many migrants travel to the UK?​

Main European destinations for asylum. Number of asylum applicants in 2020. Germany had the most asylum applicants in Europe in 2020 - more than 100,000. The UK was fifth after France, Spain and Greece with around 40,000. .

Many migrants already choose to make an asylum claim in the first country they arrive in - such as Greece, Turkey or Italy - and only a minority choose to travel on to the UK.
Last year, Germany had the highest number of asylum applicants in the EU (122,015 applicants), while France had 93,475 applicants.
In the same period the UK received the 5th largest number of applicants (36,041) when compared with countries in the EU (around 7% of the total). This represents the 17th largest intake when measured per head of population, according to UN Refugee Agency.
 

andyBeaker

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for Clarification - those arriving in the UK as Asylum seekers only become ‘illegals’ if their application is declined.
 

Duck n Dive

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for Clarification - those arriving in the UK as Asylum seekers only become ‘illegals’ if their application is declined.


While not ever having dealt with the cross Channel visitors I can speak from personal experience on other routes.

Asylum cannot normally be claimed for "economic" reasons.

Many of those trying to enter the uk seem to be migrants who wish to live/work here and are trying to use the asylum system to shortcut the usual rules.

In order to refuse an asylum claim the UK border force must be able to categorically say "you, John Smyth, are not at risk in your own country so you are being refused asylum".

If the economic migrant destroys their documents (of course a genuine asylum seeker may well not have documents) then it's not possible for border force to make that statement without extensive further investigation.

That investigation is hampered if they don't speak English/understand/untruthfull/vague etc.

I have personally seen people talking perfect English until faced with border control where they suddenly don't understand a word.

That's what they play on. With little capacity to detain, the result is they are allowed limited entry to the UK while their claim is investigated.
At that point they can disappear into the black economy never to be seen again.
 

Duck n Dive

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There are two sorts of migrants.

1. Asylum seekers fleeing genuine danger.
2. Economic migrants seeking employment/better living etc.

The first deserves to be fully supported and helped.

The second has a legal method of coming to the UK.

Same as if one of us wants to work in France/Germany/Australia/Canada etc.

Would we think it OK to simply turn up in one of those places and insist we are allowed in because we want to......


What's being neglected in all this is that the economic migrants trying to "trick" the system are actually harming the genuine asylum seekers.

I guess the economic migrants must be heart broken and remorseful about that - you think?
 

derek kelly

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Who better to run the asylum? :)
Angel lodge is an asylum seekers refuge next to Wakefield prison, one dinner time I got a phone call from a colleague that some of the terrori…. Asylum seekers were sitting on my bike, I phoned up & got through to reception, twat couldn’t speak English, I told him to put me through to security, eventually got through to another non English speaker, when I finished my shift I paid a visit, not one English person there although I did get to speak to someone who spoke English, told him that if I saw any of them in our car park I'd get them all deported & the place closed down.
 

Pow-Lo

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Pow-Lo and others

Can migrants be sent back to France?​

Under international law, people have the right to seek asylum in any country they arrive in. They don't have to seek asylum in the first safe country reached.
However, an EU-wide law called Dublin III, allows asylum seekers to be sent back to the first member state they were proven to have entered.
Between 1 January 2019 and 1 October 2020, 231 migrants who crossed the Channel were returned to mainland Europe using Dublin III.
However, the UK is no longer part of this arrangement since leaving the European Union. The UK has not agreed a scheme to replace it, making the transfer of migrants more difficult.



How many migrants travel to the UK?​

Main European destinations for asylum. Number of asylum applicants in 2020. Germany had the most asylum applicants in Europe in 2020 - more than 100,000. The UK was fifth after France, Spain and Greece with around 40,000. .

Many migrants already choose to make an asylum claim in the first country they arrive in - such as Greece, Turkey or Italy - and only a minority choose to travel on to the UK.
Last year, Germany had the highest number of asylum applicants in the EU (122,015 applicants), while France had 93,475 applicants.
In the same period the UK received the 5th largest number of applicants (36,041) when compared with countries in the EU (around 7% of the total). This represents the 17th largest intake when measured per head of population, according to UN Refugee Agency.
Why have you singled me out?
 

Pow-Lo

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There are two sorts of migrants.

1. Asylum seekers fleeing genuine danger.
2. Economic migrants seeking employment/better living etc.
3. terrorists.
The first deserves to be fully supported and helped.

The second has a legal method of coming to the UK.

Same as if one of us wants to work in France/Germany/Australia/Canada etc.

Would we think it OK to simply turn up in one of those places and insist we are allowed in because we want to......


What's being neglected in all this is that the economic migrants trying to "trick" the system are actually harming the genuine asylum seekers.

I guess the economic migrants must be heart broken and remorseful about that - you think?
You forgot a category so I took the liberty of adding it for you.
 

ogr1

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Anyone can get figures concocted on
Google....I did in the post earlier.
The 1st and nearest safe shore is what
really applies here. Not bypass 6 other
countries to get to France.
The French should be deporting ALL
undesirables that enter the way they
came in via land mass and not over
the feckin channel.
 

slim63

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Some good points made above (y)

As for ID cards I really detest the idea as the government has way to much control over our lives/movements as it is but ......
If I thought it would solve the migrant problem I would have one today, the problem most of you seem to ignore is that ID cards would only work if it were to be properly policed which it never would be and illegal migrants would just carry on anyway :(

The only real solution I can see as unpleasant as it may seem to some is to turn back EVERY migrant no matter where they are from until they apply and are accepted through the LEGAL channels, remember they can still do this from almost ANY COUNTRY and certainly from anywhere in Europe
 

derek kelly

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Send them all to Ireland or Scotland, tell them “we will process your application at the first opportunity, then bin their aplication & forget all about them, they’ll soon get fed up of the Irish & Scots & be crying to go home.
 

Pow-Lo

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Simply on the point of ‘safe first country’, nothing more than that.
You haven't told me anything I don't already know. I've said on here a number of times previously that they don't have to settle in the first safe country.
 

andyBeaker

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You haven't told me anything I don't already know. I've said on here a number of times previously that they don't have to settle in the first safe country.
My sincere apologies, that wasn’t my recollection.
 

Cougar377

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Send them all to Ireland or Scotland, tell them “we will process your application at the first opportunity, then bin their aplication & forget all about them, they’ll soon get fed up of the Irish & Scots & be crying to go home.
Feck off you ferret fancier.

Far better if they were dumped on Yorkshire, where they're sure to enjoy your warm and friendly welcome.
That should see them jumping back in their dingies and rowing for Norway before the week's out.
 
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derek kelly

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Feck of you ferret fancier.

Far better if they were dumped on Yorkshire, where they're sure to enjoy your warm and friendly welcome.
That should see them jumping back in their dingies and rowing for Norway before the week's out.
Scotland’s closer to Norway
 
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