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First ride last night

Malone

Been there, and had one
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well after a little bit of fettling over the last couple of weeks I bolted the new old bird back together for an evening ride.

I can’t recall my first ride of my brand new 96 Blackbird but back then I was moving up from a 900 Trophy and so it would have been quite a shock to have some proper power.

This time, I immediately noticed how much smoother and calmer the engine seems in contrast to my Busa and also my ZZR1400, clearly it’s making a lot less power than the ZZR’s 200+hp, it feels turbine smooth.

Oh dear, the bars are too low for my geriatric back around town, getting better at 60+ when the wind blast helps as it’s still on a stock screen.

The bar grips seem smaller and smoother to what I’m used to, I’ve got big hands and I’ll try a pair of spare Stomp grips I’ve got stashed away. My years of drag racing and land speed racing made me need to use short levers to allow 2 fingers to always grip the bars and so the stock levels seem quite alien to me. I’ll look for some cheap shorties from China.

The Jaws lowering pegs have proven very useful, but the mirror extenders show up the inadequate mirror size - my elbows look really nice in them.

A nice easy gear change and a light clutch, without a first gear clunk. Not quite in the Busa class of smooth, but a change from the Kawa kerrunch!

The brakes work reasonably well after a good cleanup, but are definitely old world and they need an early alarm call when their services are needed.

I didn’t get to use the lights in anger as it was still very light, but the instrument lighting seems a bit lacking. Oh well, it’s hardly going to get much night time use anyway.

Lastly the suspension, the front is very much of its age and may well be improved with the Jaws kit, whether I bother or not depends on how much use I want to give it. The rear is also a bit harsh and I don’t think I improved it by adding a shock spacer. I had some 1/4” alloy plate lying around and made a spacer, but I think at 6.25mm it’s too much. It will have to come out and I’ll use some 1/8” 3mm for the next one. The bars felt just a bit too keen to flop into corners. Perhaps the old Metzelers dont help much too.

I’ll tolerate the plank seat!

Along with the shock spacer, the next job will be to put a new chain and sprocket set on it, maybe at the weekend. The one on it is only a couple of thousand miles old but it hasn’t been looked after and is rusted to buggery, a nice gold DID set will brighten it up nicely. Perhaps I’ll put a spare scotoiler on at the same time.
 

Malone

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How do the Jaws bar risers work? Unscrew the fork top cap and screw in a longer one? Anyone got any going spare?
 

Centaur

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well after a little bit of fettling over the last couple of weeks I bolted the new old bird back together for an evening ride.

I can’t recall my first ride of my brand new 96 Blackbird but back then I was moving up from a 900 Trophy and so it would have been quite a shock to have some proper power.

This time, I immediately noticed how much smoother and calmer the engine seems in contrast to my Busa and also my ZZR1400, clearly it’s making a lot less power than the ZZR’s 200+hp, it feels turbine smooth.

Oh dear, the bars are too low for my geriatric back around town, getting better at 60+ when the wind blast helps as it’s still on a stock screen.

The bar grips seem smaller and smoother to what I’m used to, I’ve got big hands and I’ll try a pair of spare Stomp grips I’ve got stashed away. My years of drag racing and land speed racing made me need to use short levers to allow 2 fingers to always grip the bars and so the stock levels seem quite alien to me. I’ll look for some cheap shorties from China.

The Jaws lowering pegs have proven very useful, but the mirror extenders show up the inadequate mirror size - my elbows look really nice in them.

A nice easy gear change and a light clutch, without a first gear clunk. Not quite in the Busa class of smooth, but a change from the Kawa kerrunch!

The brakes work reasonably well after a good cleanup, but are definitely old world and they need an early alarm call when their services are needed.

I didn’t get to use the lights in anger as it was still very light, but the instrument lighting seems a bit lacking. Oh well, it’s hardly going to get much night time use anyway.

Lastly the suspension, the front is very much of its age and may well be improved with the Jaws kit, whether I bother or not depends on how much use I want to give it. The rear is also a bit harsh and I don’t think I improved it by adding a shock spacer. I had some 1/4” alloy plate lying around and made a spacer, but I think at 6.25mm it’s too much. It will have to come out and I’ll use some 1/8” 3mm for the next one. The bars felt just a bit too keen to flop into corners. Perhaps the old Metzelers dont help much too.

I’ll tolerate the plank seat!

Along with the shock spacer, the next job will be to put a new chain and sprocket set on it, maybe at the weekend. The one on it is only a couple of thousand miles old but it hasn’t been looked after and is rusted to buggery, a nice gold DID set will brighten it up nicely. Perhaps I’ll put a spare scotoiler on at the same time.

Lovely write up. Thanks Malone. :D
 

noobie

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Oh dear, the bars are too low for my geriatric back around town, getting better at 60+ when the wind blast helps as it’s still on a stock screen.

vtec vfr bars(43mm) or jaws bar risers help as will a double bubble screen

I didn’t get to use the lights in anger as it was still very light, but the instrument lighting seems a bit lacking. Oh well, it’s hardly going to get much night time use anyway.

you can now fit led lights for the clock background lights which are a good improvement and as to the headlight, hid in the 5000-6000k range is the best mod on the dipped, some fit on main too but often the dipped is enough. Some have moved onto the led route and there are plenty of threads in here on that

ILastly the suspension, the front is very much of its age and may well be improved with the Jaws kit, whether I bother or not depends on how much use I want to give it. The rear is also a bit harsh and I don’t think I improved it by adding a shock spacer.

I suspect the jaws fork upgrade kit will show you good returns. Jaws himself can refurbish rear shocks and build them closer to your weight and riding style
 
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Jaws

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Sounds as if the first ride on the new old Bird was about bang on Malone....

Bar risers.. Yes, unscrew the top cap and detatch from damper rod.
Place the egg shaped spacers where the bars were locating the pin in the top yake as you would the bars.
Get someone to hold the bar in place while you screw in the riser ( doing it that was saves a LOT of faffing around )

Torque up the risers.

On the left hand bar, pull it backwards hard while you do up the pinch bolts.
Doing the right hand bar, push it forwards while you do up the pinch bolts.
While all the spacers are CNC milled and exactly the same, the Honda top yokes do vary a lot.
Doing the push / pull thing as above eliminates any issues that might be caused by variations in the yokes
 

Cougar377

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+1 for the Jaws fork kit. Money well spent.
 

Malone

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Sounds as if the first ride on the new old Bird was about bang on Malone....

Bar risers.. Yes, unscrew the top cap and detatch from damper rod.
Place the egg shaped spacers where the bars were locating the pin in the top yake as you would the bars.
Get someone to hold the bar in place while you screw in the riser ( doing it that was saves a LOT of faffing around )

Torque up the risers.

On the left hand bar, pull it backwards hard while you do up the pinch bolts.
Doing the right hand bar, push it forwards while you do up the pinch bolts.
While all the spacers are CNC milled and exactly the same, the Honda top yokes do vary a lot.
Doing the push / pull thing as above eliminates any issues that might be caused by variations in the yokes

OK, I think I’m missing something here, have a look at this ad there’s no apparent threads in the pics

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/222983231195
 

Malone

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Yes I’ve seen those in my searches for bits and bobs, it’s just none on evilbay show any threads which is why I’m asking.
 

Malone

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They are not only total shit but fooking dangerous to boot !!!
I assume that’s a technical answer :risas3:

Acksherly, I think I’d already worked it out, they simply rely on the 8mm of exposed forkleg for security :mad:

I’m now wondering should I continue to add money to a bike which won’t really get a lot of use. It’s simply going to be another toy in the garage.

But if I do should I go for the spring kit AND the preload adjuster type of risers?

And I want a hugger, I’ve seen 2 styles one finishes at the swingarm pivot level and the other extends below it - any views on either type?
 

Jaws

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But if I do should I go for the spring kit AND the preload adjuster type of risers?

I would just go for the standard ones.. You will find the spring and spacer kit will transform the bike If you do decide you want a bit more preload you can always add a 10mm spacer above the spacer :)
Hugger
Seen and tried them all over the ears.. The Pyramid one stands head and shoulders above most, is durable rarely cracks and does the job well..... and, I think, is aesthetically pleasing too
 

Duck n Dive

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I'll also vote for the pyramid hugger.

Just fitted a new carbon fibre one from JAWS a short while ago.
 

jerryt

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I have a spare hugger in fibreglass that needs a little fettle and paint going cheap!:)
 

Malone

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8CF7CE5A-F3E4-4773-9A77-A0D7E2493BAE.jpeg Well tonight, after another 10 days fettling, was time for my second first ride.

Since the last first ride I’ve added a chain and sprocket kit, fitted a refreshed rear hugger (thanks JerryT), removed the 6mm shock spacer and put in a 2mm. I got a pair of cheap Chinese Pazzo knockoff shorty levers, Oxford Hot Grips to overcome the smooth Honda grips and a pair of large stainless Jaws bar end weights.

And so to the second first ride. First of all pop up to the local Shell and fill with fuel. Then let’s head towards Paignton bike night...... and it starts to rain! After all the lovely weather today it now has to rain. Buggerit (technical term) I could see the clouds finished over the moors, so I headed towards Dartmoor and fortunately kept well away from the wet stuff and enjoyed sunshine.

The plank seat got me after about 45 miles! The throttle is rather heavy and has given me a wrist ache. Clutch is nice and easy despite the short levers, and satisfyingly not clunky into first. For a 20 year old setup the brakes are surprisingly useful and with plenty of feel and progressive retardation. Nothing like the power of the ABS system of the ZZR, it not as bad as I thought it may have been.

Yes those forks are definitely clunky, but will I want to continue to spend money on it I don’t know. It’s going round corners quite nicely with no cause for concern, perhaps it’s still steering a little slow. What is catching me out is the relative lack of torque. I’m having to change up and down the box quite a lot, whereas the Busa will just keep on pulling from low revs.

I must have a look at the dash lights and see about fitting some LEDs if it’s likely to get more use on darker nights. Oh, and it’s easy to catch out the HISS system, there’s no twist the key and start, it’s take it sloooowwwly then it'll spin the motor. The first time I thought I’d left the sidestand down as I often start it in gear. Above all else, it’s a smooth running motor and has plenty of urge - what a shame that Honda discontinued it so soon.
 

andyBeaker

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View attachment 45700 Well tonight, after another 10 days fettling, was time for my second first ride.

Since the last first ride I’ve added a chain and sprocket kit, fitted a refreshed rear hugger (thanks JerryT), removed the 6mm shock spacer and put in a 2mm. I got a pair of cheap Chinese Pazzo knockoff shorty levers, Oxford Hot Grips to overcome the smooth Honda grips and a pair of large stainless Jaws bar end weights.

And so to the second first ride. First of all pop up to the local Shell and fill with fuel. Then let’s head towards Paignton bike night...... and it starts to rain! After all the lovely weather today it now has to rain. Buggerit (technical term) I could see the clouds finished over the moors, so I headed towards Dartmoor and fortunately kept well away from the wet stuff and enjoyed sunshine.

The plank seat got me after about 45 miles! The throttle is rather heavy and has given me a wrist ache. Clutch is nice and easy despite the short levers, and satisfyingly not clunky into first. For a 20 year old setup the brakes are surprisingly useful and with plenty of feel and progressive retardation. Nothing like the power of the ABS system of the ZZR, it not as bad as I thought it may have been.

Yes those forks are definitely clunky, but will I want to continue to spend money on it I don’t know. It’s going round corners quite nicely with no cause for concern, perhaps it’s still steering a little slow. What is catching me out is the relative lack of torque. I’m having to change up and down the box quite a lot, whereas the Busa will just keep on pulling from low revs.

I must have a look at the dash lights and see about fitting some LEDs if it’s likely to get more use on darker nights. Oh, and it’s easy to catch out the HISS system, there’s no twist the key and start, it’s take it sloooowwwly then it'll spin the motor. The first time I thought I’d left the sidestand down as I often start it in gear. Above all else, it’s a smooth running motor and has plenty of urge - what a shame that Honda discontinued it so soon.
Could you leave the bike out of future pictures please - could have been quite a nice landscape shot with a bit more care with the framing.

:p
 
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