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derek kelly

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Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars


The Brussel Times reports that a new German study exposes how electric vehicles will hardly decrease CO2 emissions in Europe over the coming years, as the introduction of electric vehicles won't lead to a reduction in CO2 emissions from highway traffic.



According to the study directed by Christoph Buchal of the University of Cologne, published by the Ifo Institute in Munich last week, electric vehicles have "significantly higher CO2 emissions than diesel cars." That is due to the significant amount of energy used in the mining and processing of lithium, cobalt, and manganese, which are critical raw materials for the production of electric car batteries.





German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3, with all the factors, included, produce more emissions than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.

They further wrote that the EU target of 59 grams of CO2 per kilometer by 2030 is "technically unrealistic."



The reality is, in addition to the CO2 emissions generated in mining the raw materials for the production of electric vehicles, all EU countries generate significant CO2 emissions from charging the vehicles’ batteries using dirty power plants.

For true emission reductions, researchers concluded the study by saying methane-powered gasoline engines or hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate the need for diesel motors.

"Methane technology is ideal for the transition from natural gas vehicles with conventional engines to engines that will one day run on methane from CO2-free energy sources. This being the case, the German federal government should treat all technologies equally and promote hydrogen and methane solutions as well."

So maybe Elon Musk's plan to save the world with electric cars is the biggest scam of our lifetime...
 

Jaws

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Save the planet, fart in a bottle............
 

Squag1

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I saw programme while back on horrible conditions child labourers are subjected to in mining materials.
Health and safety was non existent also.
 

Jaws

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A plastic bottle? Pity the poor sucker who has to recycle it. :eek:
Nooooo ! You put all the saved farts in the tank.
Mind you... I do not fancy following a fart powered motor :)
 

derek kelly

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I'm sure Jaws will explain the physics :rolleyes:
I already know the answer & it is twofold, Firstly farts in the bath are trapped in bubbles which burst on reaching the surface secondly being in a sitting position your nose is nearer the surface of the water so you are getting the full effect before it is broken down in the air.
 

Squag1

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I already know the answer & it is twofold, Firstly farts in the bath are trapped in bubbles which burst on reaching the surface secondly being in a sitting position your nose is nearer the surface of the water so you are getting the full effect before it is broken down in the air.
Plus temperature of water probably atomises gases more!
 

Minkey

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Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars


The Brussel Times reports that a new German study exposes how electric vehicles will hardly decrease CO2 emissions in Europe over the coming years, as the introduction of electric vehicles won't lead to a reduction in CO2 emissions from highway traffic.



According to the study directed by Christoph Buchal of the University of Cologne, published by the Ifo Institute in Munich last week, electric vehicles have "significantly higher CO2 emissions than diesel cars." That is due to the significant amount of energy used in the mining and processing of lithium, cobalt, and manganese, which are critical raw materials for the production of electric car batteries.





German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3, with all the factors, included, produce more emissions than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.

They further wrote that the EU target of 59 grams of CO2 per kilometer by 2030 is "technically unrealistic."



The reality is, in addition to the CO2 emissions generated in mining the raw materials for the production of electric vehicles, all EU countries generate significant CO2 emissions from charging the vehicles’ batteries using dirty power plants.

For true emission reductions, researchers concluded the study by saying methane-powered gasoline engines or hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate the need for diesel motors.

"Methane technology is ideal for the transition from natural gas vehicles with conventional engines to engines that will one day run on methane from CO2-free energy sources. This being the case, the German federal government should treat all technologies equally and promote hydrogen and methane solutions as well."

So maybe Elon Musk's plan to save the world with electric cars is the biggest scam of our lifetime...


The problem with using hydrogen is it is expensive and needs a lot of energy to produce aswell as being highly flammable :firedevil:
 

andyBeaker

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The problem with using hydrogen is it is expensive and needs a lot of energy to produce aswell as being highly flammable :firedevil:
.....today........

Tomorrow?


There was a time when horseless carriages were a rare sight...these days everyone has one. Or two.

Even in Yorkshire.

Same for monster flat screen TVs....I paid nearly £2000 for my first one and was the talk of the social scene in Kent...now everyone has one. Or two.

Obviously not in Yorkshire.
 

Pow-Lo

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Me, “Alexa, what’s a twat”

Alexa, “Ah, that would be Andy beaker”
I’ve just entered ‘Dictaphone’ in the Amazon search engine. It gave me Beaker’s number.
 

andyBeaker

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I don't think anyone disputes that creating batteries and the like have a massive carbon footprint.

What is of more concern is that some cannot see that every new technology takes time to develop. Twenty yeas ago batteries were probably at least 200% less efficient than they are now, and they will probably be 200% more efficient than they are now in the next ten years.

The one thing that appears to be reasonably certain is that we are burning oil faster than this planet generates it......so it ain't going to last forever...no petrol, no diesel (y).....and no plastics.

Imagine that.
 

sr71caspar

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The one thing that appears to be reasonably certain is that we are burning oil faster than this planet generates it......so it ain't going to last forever...no cars (y).....and only congestion busting motorbikes are allowed to use petrol!

Imagine that.
Sounds like Utopua.
 

bmwdumptruck

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What is of more concern is that some cannot see that every new technology takes time to develop. Twenty yeas ago batteries were probably at least 200% less efficient than they are now, and they will probably be 200% more efficient than they are now in the next ten years.
But surely this also has to be outwayed by the massive increase in the number of electric vehicles over said 10years.
 
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