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What the ? Logic

T.C

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3 weeks ago, I was supposed to have had my first vaccination as the local authority decided that those of us who work in a care service and come into contact daily with the vulnerable should be vaccinated.

Terrific. Link was sent, all my colleagues booked in and it was arranged that we would use one of our buses and go over to Slough in numbers and save using loads of cars.

I tried to book in only to be told by a computer link that my date of birth was wrong. I tried several times only to be told the same thing.

Cut a long story short, NHS contacted me and said that in some cases the date of birth had caused an issue but was usually resolved by using the American format, namely month, date and year instead of day, month and year. However, they promised to send a new link and advised me to book in again and hopefully I could get mine done.

The admin person who called I don't think was amused when I said that I thought it was ironic that all my colleagues had received the vaccination, but I am the only one considered vulnerable and was the only person at work not to get the jab (I think she had visions of me suddenly suggesting that I should sue the NHS for failing to jab me which never would be an issue) and she said something along the lines of, "I promise it will be sorted and if you don't hear from us within 3 or 4 days, call us and we will get it sorted" and then promptly gave me a phone number.

Well guess what. Link was never received, and when I did try to call, the phone went unanswered and so I gave up and decided to wait my turn like everyone else. I had already been told that I was in group 6, so I was going to be in the next batch once groups 1 - 4 were done.

Well yesterday morning got the call from my Doctors surgery asking if I would be happy to go to the surgery on Monday for my Covid vaccination. Terrific I thought, got my jab quicker than I expected, and I only have to drive a couple of miles down the road as opposed to drive all the way over to Slough.

About 5 hours later, Doctors surgery rang again and asked to speak to my wife. Could she go for her jab on Tuesday?

No problem says she, but she asked why she and I could not go in together as it would mean just one journey in one car, saving us time and money as well as the environment, and being from the same household it would seem sensible.

Oh no was the reply, it would upset all our logistics would be far too complicated to sort out!

Really? :facepalm:

Have I missed something?

It really doesn't matter, better to have it done making 2 journeys than not at all, but the logic escapes me. I would have thought the 2 of us going together would save effort, time, money and make it easier....
 

Squag1

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And there I was thinking all this time that you had sense :risas3:
 

johnboy

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Mrs johnboy and I are in tier 8 we both got a text from our doctors on Tuesday within seconds of each other we both followed the links and managed to get sequential appointments for this Saturday.
 

Malone

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Weird. My wife got a call to attend for her jab as she’s vulnerable And was given a date 10 days later. She then asked the nurse could I have mine at the same time to save 2 trips and I was told to come along. We later got a call asking if we’d like the jab that evening as they had spare capacity. Both done nice and quick and easy.
 

andyBeaker

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3 weeks ago, I was supposed to have had my first vaccination as the local authority decided that those of us who work in a care service and come into contact daily with the vulnerable should be vaccinated.

Terrific. Link was sent, all my colleagues booked in and it was arranged that we would use one of our buses and go over to Slough in numbers and save using loads of cars.

I tried to book in only to be told by a computer link that my date of birth was wrong. I tried several times only to be told the same thing.

Cut a long story short, NHS contacted me and said that in some cases the date of birth had caused an issue but was usually resolved by using the American format, namely month, date and year instead of day, month and year. However, they promised to send a new link and advised me to book in again and hopefully I could get mine done.

The admin person who called I don't think was amused when I said that I thought it was ironic that all my colleagues had received the vaccination, but I am the only one considered vulnerable and was the only person at work not to get the jab (I think she had visions of me suddenly suggesting that I should sue the NHS for failing to jab me which never would be an issue) and she said something along the lines of, "I promise it will be sorted and if you don't hear from us within 3 or 4 days, call us and we will get it sorted" and then promptly gave me a phone number.

Well guess what. Link was never received, and when I did try to call, the phone went unanswered and so I gave up and decided to wait my turn like everyone else. I had already been told that I was in group 6, so I was going to be in the next batch once groups 1 - 4 were done.

Well yesterday morning got the call from my Doctors surgery asking if I would be happy to go to the surgery on Monday for my Covid vaccination. Terrific I thought, got my jab quicker than I expected, and I only have to drive a couple of miles down the road as opposed to drive all the way over to Slough.

About 5 hours later, Doctors surgery rang again and asked to speak to my wife. Could she go for her jab on Tuesday?

No problem says she, but she asked why she and I could not go in together as it would mean just one journey in one car, saving us time and money as well as the environment, and being from the same household it would seem sensible.

Oh no was the reply, it would upset all our logistics would be far too complicated to sort out!

Really? :facepalm:

Have I missed something?

It really doesn't matter, better to have it done making 2 journeys than not at all, but the logic escapes me. I would have thought the 2 of us going together would save effort, time, money and make it easier....
I understand what you are saying but at the pace this is going I think minutiae is way down the list of priorities. Mrs B got her text invite less than an hour after I had got mine and booked my test and we had to go on separate days.

One of my friends got their jab yesterday and they didn't even have to get out of their car!
 

Jaws

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Similar thing happened to us.. but I called the vac centre and they said no problem, come along with the wife and we will get you in as it only takes a moment..
Proper sensible thinking that.. Show that some places are using brains and others using tactics ( or something !! Certainly not brains )
 

T.C

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Similar thing happened to us.. but I called the vac centre and they said no problem, come along with the wife and we will get you in as it only takes a moment..
Proper sensible thinking that.. Show that some places are using brains and others using tactics ( or something !! Certainly not brains )
That's the whole shame of it. I go to about 6 or 7 different vaccination centres, and the actual people who administer the jab are super efficient, polite, professional and quick.

The issue seems to be around the admin bods.

Its as if in typical fashion, the left hand is dictating to the right hand rather than just applying a bit of simple logic, especially if it makes their lives easier.....You would have thought
 

jeffa

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No probs here, there is bound to be some hicups, last i heard was 15 million had been done, unlucky
 

Pow-Lo

Make civil the mind, make savage the body.
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That's the whole shame of it. I go to about 6 or 7 different vaccination centres, and the actual people who administer the jab are super efficient, polite, professional and quick.

The issue seems to be around the admin bods.

Its as if in typical fashion, the left hand is dictating to the right hand rather than just applying a bit of simple logic, especially if it makes their lives easier.....You would have thought
It’s no coincidence the NHS was bollocksed as soon as they started employing ‘managers’ everywhere.
 

Jaws

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The issue seems to be around the admin bods.
Its ALWAYS shitty brain dead admin types,,, most of whom seem to have got the job because they are fuckin useless doing something 'real' but are either good at interviews or exams
 

slim63

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The old adage applies here more than anywhere "many fingers make light work" apply that to nursing staff & the lower echelons of the NHS & all would be well as most have some basic common sense

But when you try to apply it at a managerial level it all goes wrong as one will make a cockup that another tries to fix usually badly then a third will get involved and it all goes around & around ad infinitum without a thing getting done, but they go home with a nice fat wage that would be better spent on someone in the first group who actually has some experience of nursing instead of a bit of useless paper gained from avoiding proper work in a classroom
 

Cougar377

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Yep! Makes you wonder how it ever worked before, you know, before it was treated as a political football.
When the wife used to work on the wards some the stories about management ineptitudes used to really anger me.
I would joke that the NHS should use Carry On Nurse as a training video, but the truth is that the loss of the Hattie Jaques type matrons who ruled their wards with an iron fist was the beginning of the rot.
The so-called "Modern Matrons" in hospitals today are mostly incapable at best and many are downright incompetent.
 

Squag1

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Or,
Those that can do, those who can't teach, and those who can't teach lecture. :risas3:
 

andyBeaker

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One of the very few things I have learned in life is that if you are in a decision making role there will always be someone heckling from the touch line. And normally they have had very little if anything to offer in the way of constructive input In the decision making process.

Close to 17m arms jabbed from a standing start is absolutely amazing. Of course there will be things that could have been done better - there always have been and there always will be.
 

andyBeaker

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3 weeks ago, I was supposed to have had my first vaccination as the local authority decided that those of us who work in a care service and come into contact daily with the vulnerable should be vaccinated.

Terrific. Link was sent, all my colleagues booked in and it was arranged that we would use one of our buses and go over to Slough in numbers and save using loads of cars.

I tried to book in only to be told by a computer link that my date of birth was wrong. I tried several times only to be told the same thing.

Cut a long story short, NHS contacted me and said that in some cases the date of birth had caused an issue but was usually resolved by using the American format, namely month, date and year instead of day, month and year. However, they promised to send a new link and advised me to book in again and hopefully I could get mine done.

The admin person who called I don't think was amused when I said that I thought it was ironic that all my colleagues had received the vaccination, but I am the only one considered vulnerable and was the only person at work not to get the jab (I think she had visions of me suddenly suggesting that I should sue the NHS for failing to jab me which never would be an issue) and she said something along the lines of, "I promise it will be sorted and if you don't hear from us within 3 or 4 days, call us and we will get it sorted" and then promptly gave me a phone number.

Well guess what. Link was never received, and when I did try to call, the phone went unanswered and so I gave up and decided to wait my turn like everyone else. I had already been told that I was in group 6, so I was going to be in the next batch once groups 1 - 4 were done.

Well yesterday morning got the call from my Doctors surgery asking if I would be happy to go to the surgery on Monday for my Covid vaccination. Terrific I thought, got my jab quicker than I expected, and I only have to drive a couple of miles down the road as opposed to drive all the way over to Slough.

About 5 hours later, Doctors surgery rang again and asked to speak to my wife. Could she go for her jab on Tuesday?

No problem says she, but she asked why she and I could not go in together as it would mean just one journey in one car, saving us time and money as well as the environment, and being from the same household it would seem sensible.

Oh no was the reply, it would upset all our logistics would be far too complicated to sort out!

Really? :facepalm:

Have I missed something?

It really doesn't matter, better to have it done making 2 journeys than not at all, but the logic escapes me. I would have thought the 2 of us going together would save effort, time, money and make it easier....
Ideal world v practicality.

Comversation during system design process may have been something like this;

”wouldn’t it be great if we could batch all the jabs from the same address into one booking so everyone can get done at once?”

”yup, that sounds great. What would we need to do?”

”well, we can definitely do it but we would have to spend more time on IT development, I estimate four days”.

“and we would need to research if there are any Data Protection issues, that’s going to take time”

”how long?”

”no idea, we would need to get the lawyers involved”

.”Ok, I would love to do it but we really can’t afford the extra time this will take and I think most people will be happy to travel as often as it takes to get their household jabbed. It’s a shame, but we have to prioritise getting the jabs in arms”.

”has anyone thought about the impact on BMI reading if someone has had their height recorded at 6.2cm rather than 6’2” as they will automatically be categorised as a priority as the system will calculate they are morbidly obese?”

”hmmmm, I think it unlikely but if we can delay the programme by say twelve hours we can do a data cleanse”

”ok, if it’s gonna happen but it might be worth it as it will lift the nation when Sky News run a really funny article on it”.

”Pub?”

”er, no, the pubs are shut”.

”oh yeah, forgot”.
 

T.C

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Well had my jab today. Have to say, very efficient, quick and professional. I was in and out in less than 5 minutes although I did have to sit in my car for 15 minutes before I was allowed to drive home.

So far, no sign of a second head sprouting or hair on the palms of my hand forming....(Oh, wait a minute :oops: )
 

derek kelly

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One of the very few things I have learned in life is that if you are in a decision making role there will always be someone heckling from the touch line. And normally they have had very little if anything to offer in the way of constructive input In the decision making process.
Join the Prison service & tell me what the managers are like, I have never known anywhere as corrupt, we had a scandal involving a prisoner, some staff & mobile phones, some staff received Prison sentences, a particular Governor was called by the Judge, “the most corrupt Governor in the Prison service” did he get jailed? Did he get sacked? No he got promoted & still holds a top job.
A female Officer got promoted because she managed to record the acting Deputy Governor (married to a top Governor who got him his promotion) complimenting her on a blow job she gave him & asking for another one.
A woman who used to sell her body for drugs & cigarettes managed to become a senior drug worker, she was carrying on with our no1 Governor, she got caught bringing drugs into the prison, six members of staff involved all got promoted.
Other cases, people with trades backgrounds do a bit of building/plumbing etc for senior managers & suddenly get promoted.
 

ogr1

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It's the pay check mate it's as simple as that..These wankers will lie all day long to keep their life of luxury going.
Same where i work...Knob'eads get promoted, whilst the true worker get's trodden underfoot.
I've shit better managers.
 
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