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derek kelly

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From the man who only a few days ago was bleating about being castigated for having a different opinion to others:jaja-no:

Your colleague was happy to spend £45k on a Jag...what's it got to do with you??

You wouldn't.

So what.

Freedom of choice??
He wants to waste his money, that’s his prerogative, we share the opinion that the Jag xf is a nice car, we have a different opinion as to value of said car, life is about different opinions & I’m not going to fall out with him just because he’s stupid with money.
 

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He wants to waste his money, that’s his prerogative, we share the opinion that the Jag xf is a nice car, we have a different opinion as to value of said car, life is about different opinions & I’m not going to fall out with him just because he’s stupid with money.
The Jag XF is a nice car. It was on my very short list but the lack of a decent petrol option put me off. The R is awesome but a bit bonkers for the real world.

Take a look at the XJ, to my mind all round better than the XF, not as common and a bargain used. Especially the extended wheelbase model.

The XF is well overdue for replacement now but it looks like they will keep churning them out rather than invest in a new model.
 

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He wants to waste his money, that’s his prerogative, we share the opinion that the Jag xf is a nice car, we have a different opinion as to value of said car, life is about different opinions & I’m not going to fall out with him just because he’s stupid with money.
Just because he’s spent £45k on a car, it doesn’t make him stupid with money. He just has different priorities to you, that’s all. My car was £52k so am I stupid, too? (Probably yes, but not for that reason). You have kids, we don’t. You have grandkids, we don’t. You have horses, we don’t. I’m sure there are plenty of other differences but we both work hard for our money, as do (or did) the rest of the mob here. No one, as in no f’ing one, has the right to tell any of us what to spend our money on. As you said Dezza, life is about different opinions.
 

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Just because he’s spent £45k on a car, it doesn’t make him stupid with money. He just has different priorities to you, that’s all. My car was £52k so am I stupid, too? (Probably yes, but not for that reason). You have kids, we don’t. You have grandkids, we don’t. You have horses, we don’t. I’m sure there are plenty of other differences but we both work hard for our money, as do (or did) the rest of the mob here. No one, as in no f’ing one, has the right to tell any of us what to spend our money on. As you said Dezza, life is about different opinions.

£52k!!!!!

:eeeeek:
 

derek kelly

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Just because he’s spent £45k on a car, it doesn’t make him stupid with money. He just has different priorities to you, that’s all. My car was £52k so am I stupid, too? (Probably yes, but not for that reason). You have kids, we don’t. You have grandkids, we don’t. You have horses, we don’t. I’m sure there are plenty of other differences but we both work hard for our money, as do (or did) the rest of the mob here. No one, as in no f’ing one, has the right to tell any of us what to spend our money on. As you said Dezza, life is about different opinions.
You miss the point, regardless of kids/Grandkids I could go out today & come back with a brand new Jag/BMW/Merc etc & as stated I have been tempted (not by the BMW) but saw sense before I got carried away, even if you are spending silly money on a car why buy brand new? Why not pre-registered? Same car & much of the financial loss has been dealt with, a car is a mode of transport with a purpose of getting from a to b but many people use it as a status symbol, I am actually considering getting a Dacia Logan as my next car, if I can fit three child seats in the back then it’s good enough for me.
You spent £52 on your car & another £3000 on top of your usual tax what is that car worth now? (You don’t need to answer that, you know the answer) my wife’s panda has more gadgets than a friend’s Porsche yet his Porsche cost nearly ten times what we paid for her newer panda.
Your money, your choice but I have better things to invest my money in.
 

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You miss the point, regardless of kids/Grandkids I could go out today & come back with a brand new Jag/BMW/Merc etc & as stated I have been tempted (not by the BMW) but saw sense before I got carried away, even if you are spending silly money on a car why buy brand new? Why not pre-registered? Same car & much of the financial loss has been dealt with, a car is a mode of transport with a purpose of getting from a to b but many people use it as a status symbol, I am actually considering getting a Dacia Logan as my next car, if I can fit three child seats in the back then it’s good enough for me.
You spent £52 on your car & another £3000 on top of your usual tax what is that car worth now? (You don’t need to answer that, you know the answer) my wife’s panda has more gadgets than a friend’s Porsche yet his Porsche cost nearly ten times what we paid for her newer panda.
Your money, your choice but I have better things to invest my money in.
Derek, you keep banging on about this but I have no idea what point you are trying to make. You say that buying a relatively cheap new/used/preregistered car is the right thing to do and knock those buying new up market motors.

Why make the point that you could spend £xxxx on a car but choose not to? What are you trying to prove?

We had pretty affluent friends arrive last night in an 05 Galaxy covered in dents and with bits hanging off. They have had it since new, 140k on the clock. Do I or anyone else think any the less of them?

I love driving my über comfortable, quiet, well equipped powerful car. Does it bother me that it has depreciated by around £15k in three years? Does it bother me that it wil at some point become 'the old model'?

Am I sitting here desperately thinking about trading it on for a new one?

I spent years buying almost new, had the Volvo for 8 years. During that time I preferred to fund my pension while those around me were in their flash new motors. Time came when I decided I would treat myself as a) I could and b) I deserved it. Could I have spent more on my 'treat'? Definitely. Could I go and replace it today? If I wanted to, yes.

Freedom of choice, same as you Derek.

Still can't believe PowLo,spent £52k on a 3'series though.:facepalm:
 

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Aaaamd........why buy a Blackbird when a Honda Cub does the same thing for less money??
 

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Yes my Honda Cub will cruise at 70mph on the motorway all day two up no problem. WTF?
Pleanty in common.

It has two wheels, gets you from A to B and you look like a knob on both.

Derek was extolling the virtue of buying a Dacia Logan (sounds like an Irish comedian to me) to buying an über comfortable expensive new car that will get to 60 in less than half the time so I think the comparison is valid.
 

derek kelly

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Pleanty in common.

It has two wheels, gets you from A to B and you look like a knob on both.

Derek was extolling the virtue of buying a Dacia Logan (sounds like an Irish comedian to me) to buying an über comfortable expensive new car that will get to 60 in less than half the time so I think the comparison is valid.
The difference is that the Dacia will comfortably cruise at 70mph at a fraction of the cost of your tank.
 

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The difference is that the Dacia will comfortably cruise at 70mph at a fraction of the cost of your tank.


Again Derek what point are you failing to make?

The cost of my car cruising at seventy mph compared to a cheaper car is of no interest to me.

FYI my tank will do about forty five to fifty mpg at a steady seventy.
 

derek kelly

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Again Derek what point are you failing to make?

The cost of my car cruising at seventy mph compared to a cheaper car is of no interest to me.

FYI my tank will do about forty five to fifty mpg at a steady seventy.
That people with little willies try to compensate by buying expensive cars.
I have yet to hear anybody say “my BMW is good value for money” actually I’ve yet to hear anybody say their car is good value for money.
Figures for the Logan are between 70 & 80mpg, zero tax, cheap insurance, largest boot space in it’s class & more reliable than a BMW.
 

Pow-Lo

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£52k!!!!!

:eeeeek:

List price was £52,300, I paid just over £40k. If you read my post carefully, you'd have noticed that I said that's what hte car cost, not what I paid :p

You miss the point, regardless of kids/Grandkids I could go out today & come back with a brand new Jag/BMW/Merc etc & as stated I have been tempted (not by the BMW) but saw sense before I got carried away, even if you are spending silly money on a car why buy brand new? Why not pre-registered? Same car & much of the financial loss has been dealt with, a car is a mode of transport with a purpose of getting from a to b but many people use it as a status symbol, I am actually considering getting a Dacia Logan as my next car, if I can fit three child seats in the back then it’s good enough for me.
You spent £52 on your car & another £3000 on top of your usual tax what is that car worth now? (You don’t need to answer that, you know the answer) my wife’s panda has more gadgets than a friend’s Porsche yet his Porsche cost nearly ten times what we paid for her newer panda.
Your money, your choice but I have better things to invest my money in.

Another one who didn't read my post properly :p

Aside from that, I got your point but you didn't get mine. It's about choice and priorities. I like to have the car that I do because that's my choice. I don't have the responsibilities, vices and responsibilities of some people so I have the luxury (?) of being able to make that choice. I don't drink to speak of (never in the week, maybe a glass of red with Sunday dinner once a month, birthday and when we're on holiday), don't smoke, don't take drugs, don't gamble, don't do scruffy women, don't have kids and we both work full time.

As for brand new v nearly new, I go new every time because there is much more room for negotiation on new. Salesmen are driven by new car sales, which is why there are so many nearly new around when it comes to the time of the new reg. I also like to choose my colour and spec, etc. Put it this way, I paid less for my 335d than the windscreen price of a three month old 330d with 3k on the clock at the same dealership. Nearly new doesn't always work.

I agree that a Dacia Dishrag will do the same job as my BM, no arguments here. But I'm spending two hours a day on my commute so I want to be in a ride that I want to be in, not just one that is fit for purpose.

My bestie bought a Porsche Macan S last month. Him and his wife had twins last May. She had an A3 and he had an SQ5 but the kids buggies wouldn't fit in the A3 and would only fit in the SQ5 with nothing else in the boot. With two baby seats in the back, he has to pull his driver's seat forward a couple of notches, which makes him uncomfortable. So what does he do? Bins the A3 and buys the Macan S, which is smaller in all areas than the SQ5, and keeps the SQ5 for his wife. Now that, my friends, is a whole new mountain of stupidity.
 

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This isn't a dig, just an observation.... but I've never got the attraction of BMW's saloons and estates (or the Audi equivalents for that matter). I find it difficult to tell one model from another so I would find it hard to justify spending £40k or £50k on a car that looks (to me) just like all the rest, whether they be current or older models. OK, I get that you're also buying performance and driving experience, but for that kind of dosh I'd want something that stood out from the crowd a bit more.
 

Pow-Lo

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This isn't a dig, just an observation.... but I've never got the attraction of BMW's saloons and estates (or the Audi equivalents for that matter). I find it difficult to tell one model from another so I would find it hard to justify spending £40k or £50k on a car that looks (to me) just like all the rest, whether they be current or older models. OK, I get that you're also buying performance and driving experience, but for that kind of dosh I'd want something that stood out from the crowd a bit more.
Fair comments.

Thing is, one could say the same about most marques. Have you noticed that a lot of VWs share near identical tail light clusters? See how the Fiesta has morphed into a Focus? Ok, some might say they’re ‘lesser’ brands but the Porsche Panamera is a 911 with four doors. The Merc GLC is a C class on stilts.

Take a look at bikes. In fact, go look at the rear indicators on your ‘Bird and tell me how many other Hondas of the same year sported the same ones. Ok, so they’re only indicator units but I’m sure that a damn site more components were shared.

Unless you’re buying serious exotica, there’s not a vast amount out ) there that stands out as truly unique and completely different from the crowd.
 
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