Parking tickets

[bikesnoopy]

I got a parking ticket at the local train station today.
I wont go through all the circumstances, but needless to say i feel very hard done by & i am planning on not paying it & see what happens.
I know its totally useless "appealing" to the car park company.

Does anyone know what'll happen?
It wasn't a council or local authority owned car park. It was the railway station car park operated by a private company.

Ive heard tell that if you just do nothing, it fizzles out after a few threatening letters.
Is this so? :dunno:

 

[Canadian Bird]

If its like the ones we have it will never go away.


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[ianrobbo1]

Ignore it, I get LOTS of parking tickets from these "car-park management" company's,:wank: the ticket is not worth the paper it's written on :-0) they PAY the dvla for your address, and send loads of threatening letters, they make a good base for the budgie cage :-0) IF by any real misfortune they actually decide to take you to court "small claims" then ignore it until a day or so before the date, and "offer" them ?4 as they are not supposed to be making a profit, and the ?4 quid covers their expenses, 8rfl@ so either way they are fucked!!:-0)

As you state the car park is NOT run by the council or other local authority, if it was, then pay up asap, cos they don't care about spending taxpayers money to take you to court, unlike the private lot!!

 

[bikesnoopy]

I thought so...@tu*

 

[MAcBETH]

DONT PAY IT

I got 1 in the post 18 months ago from my car for ?80.
When I checked the date it was a sunday and know I was out on the bike.
However the mrs took the car shopping and got the fine for me.
Nothing was stck to the window I just got a letter in the post.
The driver of the vehicle is the one that enters into the contract when entering the car park NOT the owner of the vehicle. They can only send letters to the owner of the vehicle from the information that they recieve from the DVLA, unless they prove who was driving (which they cant cos they only take a photo of the license plate) and you say you dont know who was driving they cant do anything - do not reply to the letters no matter how threatening they are, they will soon give up. They did with me. They wont take you to court as it will cost them more than the fine, besides it is unlawful to charge for something over and above what they originally asked for. :-0):-0):-0)

 

[bikesnoopy]

. . . @tu*. . .

 

[Boggymarsh]

Can I point you in the direction of this friendly bunch. Much to read and digest...

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=idx

I was an active member for about three years!

 

[Jaws]

Couple of points.. last year new regulation was brought in to existence dealing with private car parks. Look it up.. It aint good news !

Second point.. Pepipoo is, as mentioned really rather good

Sorry.. a third point

I would suggest you post this in the new section, the Legal Eagle Roost

 

[Murt]

Warning.

Railway stations are covered by a different law!

The railway bye laws are proper law, and ' any person authorised' can issue a ticket if an offence has been committed.

The railways get a company to deal with parking, and follow up offences quite vigorously! It should say on the ticket something like .. offence under Bye Law 24 / or 25 / or 26. Causing an obstruction / parked when not on railway business / or when or where not permitted.

It may say the name of the operating Company. Virgin, Network Rail, Central or suchlike......
My advice is... pay it!

I used to be connected with law enforcement on the Railway! The laws are real and very clearly covered.

If you feel that you are innocent of the allegation, follow it up as per the instructions. The fine can now be up to ?1000.

DO NOT IGNORE IT.

Murt

 

[Boggymarsh]

And this is where it gets interesting because of the conflict between criminal and civil law and the enforcement of criminal offences by private companies, just as is the case between enforcement of the Royal Parks bye-laws and infringements on Railway property.

The whole shebangle of private enforcement is a friggin mess but because it generates so much revenue no one up top wants to know!
Don't get me started...:rant:

BUT as Murt has said... DO NOT IGNORE and in the mean time read the following bye-laws that are currently in force...enlightening reading for those who have been given a ticket and for those of you who are sad enough to want to know!


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/4202/railway-byelaws.pdf

Go to the Pepipoo site and do your research on there as you will find lots regarding parking on Railway premises but watch out for the time frame in which you have to pay or challenge your ticket!

 

[Boggymarsh]

Couple of points.. last year new regulation was brought in to existence dealing with private car parks. Look it up.. It aint good news !

Second point.. Pepipoo is, as mentioned really rather good

Sorry.. a third point

I would suggest you post this in the new section, the Legal Eagle Roost

John, can you move said thread to said pot please @tu*

 

[bikesnoopy]

Theres no laws quoted on the ticket, just the address where to send the payment.
The company's called APCOA Parking Ltd.
Its a very simple ticket with not much information on it at all really.

I wouldn't be quibbling over it if i didn't think i had been hard done by.
In my mind, i'd paid the parking fee in good faith - in fact, well over the fee.
Its just strange circumstances that theyve issued me with the ticket - thats why i dont think i should have to pay as i think i had paid.

They have an address to write to/number to phone if you want to appeal, but i know its hopeless even trying, cuz they never accept what you say as being a valid reason to cancel the ticket.

 

[T.C]

Murt has covered the issue with regards to Railway property. As he mentioned, different rules cover the railways to other properties.

However, it is worth bearing in mind when it comes to getting a ticked for being parked on the road, that many of these council wardens issue tickets when in fact no offence has been committed.

In order for a parking regulation to be enforceable it has to comply with the regulation exactly and this will include

Signage

No waiting lines

Distances

For every parking restriction there has to be a regulation, and this regulation will state where the restriction runs from and to, what signs and so on.

So for example -

A preamble

It will commence 2 meters east of the junction with XXX Street and terminate 3 meters west of the junction of YYY Road.

Each parking line must finish with a termination line.

Signs must be clear and easily visible

Most distances are way out as the contractors very rarely bother measuring out properly.

Some miss the termination lines

And commonly the signs do not comply with the lines that are down or vice versa.

Many Police forces use to have a traffic management department that used to ensure that all the regs in place were legal enforceable and that the location complied with those regulations, but very few forces if any have TM these days so the local authorities get away with murder.

The local library is required to hold a copy of the traffic order so it is easily accessible for you to check, and any non compliance means that any ticket issued is invalid.

 

[Boggymarsh]

Thanks TC...you woken the rage within!

When local authorities began to take over the enforcement of parking contraventions they had to satisfy a whole host of requirements before they were given the powers they needed to do the job. Traffic Wardens left the control of the police and became council employees and criminal offences became civil contraventions. Traffic Regulation Orders that were scrutinised by the police for validity overnight fell on to the lap of a back office clerk who couldn't tell the difference between the meaning of a single and double yellow line, let alone understand the quaintly olde English of the Orders themselves. Traffic flow management stopped but enforcement grew to become one of the biggest earners for local government, despite the fact that much of the "enforcement" of contraventions was illegal. So called independent bodies were set up for Tribunals, yet weirdly, many challenged cases were found in favour of the councils despite their being glaringly obvious irregularities in their Orders or application of road markings and signs.
It's a farce, a total friggin unethical and corrupt money making cash cow... and that is why I sought to fight the cause and joined the army of fighters on Pepipoo, which does a significant job in the fight against this mess!

 

[grant57]

Generally you can ignore them if not issued by police or local authorities. The onus is on them to take you to court which they rarely do as they lose over 90% of cases. I have ignored many, if they are persistant I write a letter demanding 18 things under FOI law. Then never have bothered to reply to date and in failing to do so have commited a larger offense.

PS Martin lewis money saving site has an excellent thread on this, check it out.

Good luck

grant

 

[bikesnoopy]

This wasn't local authority or police or council. It was actially on the access road to the station in a privately operated pay & display car park.

Ok, the story. . . Saturday 1st June.

I had to go from Yatton to Bristol in the morning, on the train to collect a car i'd just bought - (a train ride of about 20 minutes).

My plan - drive the car to Yatton station. Buy a parking ticket at the pay & display machine ( ?1.40 all day on Saturdays & Sundays), then when i'm back home in the "new" car, ride my mountain bike from home to Yatton station, chuck the bike in the back & drive my "old" car back home. Should've been all done & dusted by lunchtime.
However, i had visitors all Saturday afternoon who stayed until 7:30pm, so didn't get to collect the car in the afternoon - at this point, still covered until midnight by the "all day" ticket.

Next, i had to rush up to London where my wife is in hospital (she has terminal cancer). The visitors dropped me at the station at 8:15pm Saturday evening, knowing i already had a car there to drive home in.
Also, i knew that the parking ticket on the car would run out at 12:00 midnight, so i rushed down to the machine which said that all "day" tickets at weekends run out at midnight.
This put me in a spot, as i knew i wouldn't be back on the train until at least 8:00am Sunday morning & there was absolutely no provision to cater for an overnight stay in the car park, as buying a ticket at 8:15pm would technically run out at midnight too. . . my train was only 5 minutes away.

So, i bought another "day" ticket (the only ticket on offer) & even though i bought it at 8:15pm, it still ran out at midnight.
I put this ticket, with the original ticket in the windscreen, along with a note saying that i had had to rush up to London & wouldnt be back until the morning & as the machine made no provision for an overnight train journey, i had to buy a second "all day" ticket to cover me for 12:01am through to when my train came back in from London (7:45am).
I highlighted the fact that there is no provision for overnight stays (even though there were loads of other cars in the car park ovenight), but essentially, i had bought & paid for two "all day" tickets - one for all day Saturday & one for all day Sunday.

Well, you can imagine how pissed off i was when i got back from visiting my dying wife to find a ticket on my car for "not displaying a valid ticket" - issued about 10 minutes before my train came in:rant:.
?50 if i pay within 7 days or ?80 if i dont.

Now do you understand why i dont want to pay?:dunno:

 

[Boggymarsh]

First of all, i can totally understand your situation and I am very sorry to hear about your wifes poor health... having been through the trials and tribulations with my wifes melanoma I think I can relate to how you might just be feeling right now.

Ok time is an issue regarding the ticket and to give you some credible advice I ask that you send me two pictures via email - I need a good close-up photo of the front and back of the ticket. If you can scan them then that would be even better. Photos from a camera phone are ok but try and adjust the settings for documents or macro if you can.

As this is a "live" issue I will continue the correspondence via private email for your privacy.

Contact me at: boggy0220@btinternet.com

 

[Jaws]

As this thread is one of those that are more than worth reading I am not going to move it, but copy it so it appears both here and in the roost @tu*

 

[Demonbane]

Generally you can ignore them if not issued by police or local authorities. The onus is on them to take you to court which they rarely do as they lose over 90% of cases. I have ignored many, if they are persistant I write a letter demanding 18 things under FOI law. Then never have bothered to reply to date and in failing to do so have commited a larger offense.

PS Martin lewis money saving site has an excellent thread on this, check it out.

Good luck

grant

can you list the 18 things under FOI law or supply a link to please ?

 

[Boggymarsh]

May I ask if you have you received a Penalty Charge Notice or an invitation to pay a Parking Charge Notice? A big difference! I'm more than happy to help you out...