No it wasn't. This was a Chief Super from NE England. I remember Brunstrom being down but he was only a little over 30 IIRC. Also he was a Chief Constable.
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No it wasn't. This was a Chief Super from NE England. I remember Brunstrom being down but he was only a little over 30 IIRC. Also he was a Chief Constable.
It may sound like I'm having a go at Andy here but I really am not, I am just trying to understand his mind set as its completely alien to me. stay with me here a moment 
The comment "the higher the speed the higher the risk" does not ring true with me, a fairer assessment would be the higher the speed the more concentration, practice & skill is needed to be as safe as at lower speeds.
The ability to assess information & react to situations requires all of the above qualities regardless of the speed involved so 50mph may seem fast & difficult for some while 150mph is easy & slow for others, as long as a sensible margin is left & the skill levels are high enough either speed mentioned is equally as safe imo
The story about the biker filtering & doing a silly overtake made me smile, have you ever thought he may have been a quite reasonable rider who was just frustrated at being stuck behind a much slower rider ? in that situation its easy to make a silly mistake & I would guess most of us have done something similar but got away with it in the past
Another thing comes to mind somewhere around this forum you mention how good police riders are, I agree they are good, but many have less experience & less training & less road miles than I & a few others on this forum do, how can it be that they are deemed to be safe at speed while we are not ? sorry but that makes no sense at all
The comment "the higher the speed the higher the risk" does not ring true with me, a fairer assessment would be the higher the speed the more concentration, practice & skill is needed to be as safe as at lower speeds.
The ability to assess information & react to situations requires all of the above qualities regardless of the speed involved so 50mph may seem fast & difficult for some while 150mph is easy & slow for others, as long as a sensible margin is left & the skill levels are high enough either speed mentioned is equally as safe imo
The story about the biker filtering & doing a silly overtake made me smile, have you ever thought he may have been a quite reasonable rider who was just frustrated at being stuck behind a much slower rider ? in that situation its easy to make a silly mistake & I would guess most of us have done something similar but got away with it in the past
Another thing comes to mind somewhere around this forum you mention how good police riders are, I agree they are good, but many have less experience & less training & less road miles than I & a few others on this forum do, how can it be that they are deemed to be safe at speed while we are not ? sorry but that makes no sense at all
It may sound like I'm having a go at Andy here but I really am not, I am just trying to understand his mind set as its completely alien to me. stay with me here a moment
The comment "the higher the speed the higher the risk" does not ring true with me, a fairer assessment would be the higher the speed the more concentration, practice & skill is needed to be as safe as at lower speeds.
The ability to assess information & react to situations requires all of the above qualities regardless of the speed involved so 50mph may seem fast & difficult for some while 150mph is easy & slow for others, as long as a sensible margin is left & the skill levels are high enough either speed mentioned is equally as safe imo
The story about the biker filtering & doing a silly overtake made me smile, have you ever thought he may have been a quite reasonable rider who was just frustrated at being stuck behind a much slower rider ? in that situation its easy to make a silly mistake & I would guess most of us have done something similar but got away with it in the past
Another thing comes to mind somewhere around this forum you mention how good police riders are, I agree they are good, but many have less experience & less training & less road miles than I & a few others on this forum do, how can it be that they are deemed to be safe at speed while we are not ? sorry but that makes no sense at all[/QUOTE]
I had a discussion with a good friend who was a police biker on this very subject. He said what a lot of bikers forget is that he spends 5 days a week riding over his patch and so he knows them like the proverbial back of his hand. He commented that this did not apply to some local bikers who rode all year round.
I have had the same discussion with a good friend of mine who is also a police trained biker Centaur so do understand exactly what you mean, in my case my mate hadn't realised quite how long I had been riding those same roads & how many miles I was doing on them every year, I'd do similar miles weekly & often more, I got 15 years on him so had a bit more practice too
To be totally honest the real difference in our speed/confidence/ability however you want to put it only became apparent when we were off somewhere different
To be totally honest the real difference in our speed/confidence/ability however you want to put it only became apparent when we were off somewhere different
The faster your speed, the more miles past any probable incident you will be....
It may sound like I'm having a go at Andy here but I really am not, I am just trying to understand his mind set as its completely alien to me. stay with me here a moment
The comment "the higher the speed the higher the risk" does not ring true with me, a fairer assessment would be the higher the speed the more concentration, practice & skill is needed to be as safe as at lower speeds.
The ability to assess information & react to situations requires all of the above qualities regardless of the speed involved so 50mph may seem fast & difficult for some while 150mph is easy & slow for others, as long as a sensible margin is left & the skill levels are high enough either speed mentioned is equally as safe imo
The story about the biker filtering & doing a silly overtake made me smile, have you ever thought he may have been a quite reasonable rider who was just frustrated at being stuck behind a much slower rider ? in that situation its easy to make a silly mistake & I would guess most of us have done something similar but got away with it in the past
Another thing comes to mind somewhere around this forum you mention how good police riders are, I agree they are good, but many have less experience & less training & less road miles than I & a few others on this forum do, how can it be that they are deemed to be safe at speed while we are not ? sorry but that makes no sense at all
I do like a well reasoned argument even if I don't agree with it
The speed v risk thing to my mind is very simple; if you are doing 50 and a car pulls out of a bike there is less chance of a collision than if the bike is doing 90. That scenario has little to do with the ability of the rider. Before anyone disagrees, can I reinforce I said 'little' rather than 'nothing' - a really good rider with excellent observational skills will have a better chance of avoiding an accident at 90 than a useless,one who can't see more than five yards up the road will at 50. However, the really good rider with excellent observational skills will be at much reduced risk at 50 opposed to 90.
Re the comment about me possibly holding up the cbr600 rider; yes, possibly. However, I found myself being held up more often than holding others up in London. There is always someone faster or slower than you, regardless of how fast or slow you are. Acting like an arse is a surefire way of ending up on the floor either way.
To go back to the original post and video, even these 'riding gods' (at least in their own minds) put themselves in situations where they had little if any influence over the outcome of their actions - the 'forced' undertaking of the bus while it was changing lanes along with riding in the crap right at the edge of the road to avoid traffic panicking as they came up behind it being just two examples.
Regarding police riders - I have done a couple of sessions with them and learned so much about observation skills. However, I have also dropped back from following a police rider along country lanes as I felt he was taking excessive risks (going into corners at a speed where he could not stop in the road visible to him) and I wasn't prepared to follow like a lemming. Not sure what that says about them or me, just saying.
All good points Andy & I'm glad you didn't take offence at my comments 
With regard to you comment about car pulling out on you while doing 50 rather than 90 I half agree but surely the point is a good rider wouldn't be doing 90 in a place where that was a possibility anyway ?
As for police riders I have ridden with. been assessed by & have assessed quite a few, just my opinion but roadcraft as taught to police riders is good in many places but not so good in others
With regard to you comment about car pulling out on you while doing 50 rather than 90 I half agree but surely the point is a good rider wouldn't be doing 90 in a place where that was a possibility anyway ?
As for police riders I have ridden with. been assessed by & have assessed quite a few, just my opinion but roadcraft as taught to police riders is good in many places but not so good in others
I think you would like to see the man with the red flag walking in front of horseless carriages brought back again.
I have no intention of moving to Yorkshire.
I find that I concentrate much better when pressing on or giving
the bike a bit of light hearted exercise ...If I am forced to potter or get
frustrated by people on the way to the garden centre then my concentration goes
for a burton and I start to make errors and bad decisions because I
get annoyed...I probably have an attitude problem but thats the way it is !!
the bike a bit of light hearted exercise ...If I am forced to potter or get
frustrated by people on the way to the garden centre then my concentration goes
for a burton and I start to make errors and bad decisions because I
get annoyed...I probably have an attitude problem but thats the way it is !!
I have to agree with that, I make most mistakes when I'm pottering around & not really switched on properly, at higher speeds I concentrate fully & refuse to have distractions, such as a satnav, music & all that tosh
I rarely even look at the clocks just looking where I'm going & at the mirrors gives me all the information I need or want to deal with at speed
ianrobbo1
good looking AND modest
I really enjoyed playing "marshall" on those Bird rideouts, things just ain't the same since the coming of Andrewbird and his likes, Eddy and I took a somewhat "quick" trip to a southern meet and we put both bikes to the limit do you remember meeting ua there John??
Thank you.
To be honest no mate.. can you give me any reminders ??
Nanny state, PC and forgetting that life without risk is monumentally boring. Since that lot took over our lives. During the Blair period? For me bike riding, first shag with someone new, gliding, catamaran sailing and cave/reef diving are the times "I will remember the day I'm dying".
I asked Ianrobbo the question, not you.
Anyway, I will get back to booking my helicopter trip down The Grand Canyon, making sure I don't cut myself on the keyboard while doing so.
ianrobbo1
good looking AND modest
Thanks Bill, that just about covers it!! I hope "he" enjoys his helicopter trip down the Canyon, I enjoyed mine and the raft trip as well as the Indian reservation and Hoover Dam trip, wonder if he would jump off the Stratosphere for us??
Some points
- I have never on a Bash ride out - for the very reasons that you are suggesting that made them attractive to you, so I am not sure why you are suggesting I have been??
- I didn't realise life was a dick swinging contest, thank you for putting me straight on that
- It's always good to hear other people's opinions when they are well articulated, even if you don't agree with them. Still waiting for your views to be well articulated on this particular thread.........
TBH I thought they'd stopped doing them. A few years ago there was a big campaign against them based on enviromental impact (I think?) However a quick google suggests there's 3-400 flights a day! Maybe that's what they meant.