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andyBeaker

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As I type there are exactly 9000 threads in the ‘Help’ section.

Hmmmmmmmmm
 

Jaws

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Perhaps you could do an analysis of the faults Andy ?
Minor faults requiring repair to wiring or ancillary equipment
Major faults requiring engine out work

Followed up with a comparison with another make / marque with similar mileage ?

Even perhaps go through the 9000 threads and find out how many are Bird related ?? That would proly be a good start

8,841 thread in 15 years, about 55% ( very roughly ) bird faults, about 2% dealing with a fault worse than a reg rec or the like.. Works out to about 12 problems a year, or 1 a month ..
Nowadays we only have a couple of hundred members who are active, back in the day there were more than 8000.....
To me it kinda shows something diametrically opposite that which your poorly thought out fishing expedition was intended !!
 
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Stammo

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Be interesting to compare with other manufacturer forums... KTM, Laverda and dare I say Triumph!
 

Jaws

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Be interesting to compare with other manufacturer forums... KTM, Laverda and dare I say Triumph!
Indeed..
I have severe doubts the Triumph I have bought will last ..
I bought it with the realistic view that if I am riding in 5 years time it will be a miracle , and it has a three year warranty .. Gone are my days of big yearly miles.. I doubt very much I will do more than4k moles a year... If I had wanted longevity I would have bought something different

Hmmmm
Given me an idea for the next Bird project.
An adventure type thing.. maybe start looking in to that!
 

Stammo

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A more upright BB would be good, even the X11 is a cramped riding position.
Get welding John!
 

Jaws

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A more upright BB would be good, even the X11 is a cramped riding position.
Get welding John!
Still gotta finish the garden ornament yet.. If the plastics aint done by Nov 22nd I am gonna collect them and take em to somewhere else as woman has now given me till Christmas to get it finished and out of the workshop.. So I can clear it out and put all the stuff from the old Jaws stores shed in there.. The stores shed will then be turned in to a pergola sort of thing and be where the swing chair goes ( she has it ALL worked out.. What she does not know is I have OTHER plans ! LOL !!!!
 
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A more upright BB would be good, even the X11 is a cramped riding position.
Get welding John!
My exact thoughts !
After trying out several new bikes this year I decided the BB can stay for now and instead went for the higher bars/lower pegs/higher comfy seat route.
Makes a world of difference for ageing knees, I've done a lot more miles since the changes.
Only downside is an increased tendency to wheelie :rolleyes:
 

Jaws

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If I DID do one it would not just be high bars etc.
Probably a fork change, wheel change, subframe change, plastics change, maybe even a tank change
I would retain the core ( engine and frame ) but like the current project, virtually every thing else is up for grabs so to speak
 

andyBeaker

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Perhaps you could do an analysis of the faults Andy ?
Minor faults requiring repair to wiring or ancillary equipment
Major faults requiring engine out work

Followed up with a comparison with another make / marque with similar mileage ?

Even perhaps go through the 9000 threads and find out how many are Bird related ?? That would proly be a good start

8,841 thread in 15 years, about 55% ( very roughly ) bird faults, about 2% dealing with a fault worse than a reg rec or the like.. Works out to about 12 problems a year, or 1 a month ..
Nowadays we only have a couple of hundred members who are active, back in the day there were more than 8000.....
To me it kinda shows something diametrically opposite that which your poorly thought out fishing expedition was intended !!

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ricko

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If I DID do one it would not just be high bars etc.
Probably a fork change, wheel change, subframe change, plastics change, maybe even a tank change
I would retain the core ( engine and frame ) but like the current project, virtually every thing else is up for grabs so to speak
Will look forward to seeing how that comes out, if anyone can make a good job of it you can :thumbup:
 

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As I type there are exactly 9000 threads in the ‘Help’ section.

Hmmmmmmmmm

Most of them asking "how can I block AB's threads...?" ;)

Seriously, though....if you had to buy a bike again to do your previous work commute, what would you choose...? (and don't say "a car".....:bash:)
 

andyBeaker

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Most of them asking "how can I block AB's threads...?" ;)

Seriously, though....if you had to buy a bike again to do your previous work commute, what would you choose...? (and don't say "a car".....:bash:)


Honest answer - I would use the helicopter.

If I lived where I used to live and had the same journey I would categorically do it by bike. No question.

Quickest way, not tied to train times, cost effective.

Would just have to resign myself to fixing the charging circuit one weekend in four if I had a Bird.

The real question is - would I get another Bird......
 

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Honest answer - I would use the helicopter.

If I lived where I used to live and had the same journey I would categorically do it by bike. No question.

Quickest way, not tied to train times, cost effective.

Would just have to resign myself to fixing the charging circuit one weekend in four if I had a Bird.

The real question is - would I get another Bird......

Truthfully Andy, I averaged 15000 miles a year on my Bbird over about 5 years of work and pleasure travel. In that time I had to replace one reg/rec and two batteries. No stators. One of the batteries was marginal but believing that most charging failures result from poor batteries I replaced it when the reg/rec failed and I fitted a minimeter with the new reg/rec and battery. That battery I replaced after about two years as it was dropping too much under the starter load so was wearing out. I did of course take the output direct to the battery from the reg/rec via a 30 amp in-line fuse which cut out a lot of dubious wiring. :p
 

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Truthfully Andy, I averaged 15000 miles a year on my Bbird over about 5 years of work and pleasure travel. In that time I had to replace one reg/rec and two batteries. No stators. One of the batteries was marginal but believing that most charging failures result from poor batteries I replaced it when the reg/rec failed and I fitted a minimeter with the new reg/rec and battery. That battery I replaced after about two years as it was dropping too much under the starter load so was wearing out. I did of course take the output direct to the battery from the reg/rec via a 30 amp in-line fuse which cut out a lot of dubious wiring. :p

Guess I was unlucky. The carb I think had one reg/rec and one generator and a couple of batteries in about 100,000 miles.

The FI Must have had three reg/recs and generators and two batteries in about 50,000 miles. I will hold my hand up and say that one of the generator failures was down to me. It was only when I replaced the whole lot (in addition to afore mentioned)that reliability was found.

I did a lot of slow speed riding in central London and the FI really didn't like that in really hot weather. Was always glad to get clear of the traffic onto the motorway.

I suppose the Bird wasn't designed for slow speed stuff..........either that or the charging circuit wasn't up to everyday commuting............

Can't think of anything else failing other than the odd wheel or sprocket carrier bearing and cct.
 
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