AVON'S crap or not

[blumeeni]

been a while

It's been a while and Stan has asked me to put this on for him as he's very shy you know
Stan says he now thinks the Avon's are great in the wet loads of grip and very confidence inspiring.
However it may have something to do with the tyre being so worn it's down to the canvass.
In my opinion the guys a fooking hooligan and should be locked up and have an anti social order on him. %$fan

 

[stan the man]

PETE................

It's been a while and Stan has asked me to put this on for him as he's very shy you know
Stan says he now thinks the Avon's are great in the wet loads of grip and very confidence inspiring.
However it may have something to do with the tyre being so worn it's down to the canvass.
In my opinion the guys a fooking hooligan and should be locked up and have an anti social order on him. %$fan

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:neenaw: :f :f :f i ain't no hooligan.

yes,i like the avon's...have no probs in the wet anymore,must be a riding god

does this look like a hooligan ??????

 

[Mozza]

hi guys, new here but what the hell, please allow me to have an input on this never ending topic !!!!!
firstly, i know i am younger than most here at 33, but i have ridden since the age of 8 so give me a little breathing space ok !!
having gone from my firestorm to my friends blackbird, i bonded with it immediately, what a joy to ride. started gently, but soon found myslef in my ways of old, sensible in towns and villages, on an open clitheroe road full chat with dreams of podium winning bend takers!!!! but alas this was very short lived. you see the bike is wearing a pair of indestructable avons av45/46's. in a bend they did seem ok, planted but still giving me a little voice in my head saying twitch twich twich, but in a straight line, well bugger me could this bike decide which way it wants to go ? no !!!
before you start on the obvious, there are no mechanical faluts with bike, pressures are fine, tyre is on correct etc etc etc. been there, checked the lot
it was the most bizzare feeling i have ever experienced on a bike. i am using this bike every day, and i must say i have to agree with most here that in the wet, these tyres ( in my opinion ) really are not right for job. now yes i know it is hard to find ANY tyre that is right in the wet. but i have experienced to many "step out's" on these tyres to have any confidence in them in the wet.
as i said, this is only how i find them, i am not jumping on the bandwagon or taking sides in what seems to be a cat and mouse subject.
the impression i get is that if you ride like the average everyday rider, you may well be happy with these indestructable, never ending, never squaring off tyres:} but if, like me, you ride like everyday may be your last so enjoy the ride, then i feel these tyres are not up to the job as much as other brands.
but hey, freedom of choice, and freedom of speech. each to their own eh !
so please do not start throwing daft responses at me as i am younger than most here, no need to insult me eh !! i have had many years in motorcycle retail, fitted many many sets of tyres to customers bikes in the past ( parts manager at motorcycle city manchester) and now working at hein gericke in manchester i see many people with different views and opinions.
but i must say other than an unforgettable experience with as set of D207'S at oulton park ( high side, gravel, wall, ouch, hospital please !) the avons are not the tyre for me. maybe it is my riding style, but hey, none of us are world superbike riders here ( though some seem to like thinking that they are not far off :} ) i just simply wanted to say how i found them.
thanks for listening. for those who love them, fair play to you.
cheers
kirk

 

[frenchuk]

I am a world superbike track god and I love Avon, it's great for my skin and I'm worth it.
Oh, as for the tyres, I love them too, managed to finally chew them and gonna get a new set, this time a ST rear and an SP front. I've been riding in absolute shite weather and felt fine with them. Now, gonna finish what I'm doing and then shoot to the Derby.

 

[Fat Bert]

FUK

INow, gonna finish what I'm doing and then shoot to the Derby.

Don't forget the fisting gloves......Lim Plump is looking forward to them!

man8um man8um man8um :f

 

[stan the man]

well,had another AV46 fitted today as i've had no probs of late with them,so giving them another go....hopefully out tomorrow to scrub them in....YEEEEEEAAAAAAAH

:beer:

 

[duncan]

file them under CRAP :yo:

 

[blumeeni]

well,had another AV46 fitted today as i've had no probs of late with them,so giving them another go....hopefully out tomorrow to scrub them in....YEEEEEEAAAAAAAH

:beer:

Suns shinning birds are singing and I'm coming gonna take a sicky

 

[1200Pete]

There are a couple of points about this whole thread that I am wondering about, they have got me somewhat confused. Why has the front never let go on all these bikes?, it's made from exactly the same rubber compound :dunno:.

And with so many people having these big rear end step outs, why has no one fallen off yet?, in the wet, on a bend, unless you are almost upright, your going down :dunno: .

Why has no one had any problems when trying to stop? Another time when tyres are under enormous stress :dunno:

Anyway in a few weeks time we should be able to put this thread to bed once and for all.

I have fitted a Veypor dataloger to the show bike, this will graphically map the exact point a tyre lets go. It will also log the horse power, torque, RPM, velocity and G force the bike was pulling at the exact time the tyre lets go.

I will try to do this as scientifically and controlled as humanly possible, it will be done on the same road, in the same conditions, on the same bike, with only the time it takes to change a wheel in between runs.

I will put the two most common tyres against each other, the 020 and the AV46, but if there is time I may do a Macadam for a laugh.

If anyone would like to act as an independent and impartial witness please step forward.

 

[Fat Bert]

and ~~~

If needed. Just call.

Not completely impartial though as I like them.

Quality Management and Audit trained too.

a kung fu marshall with slipper to prove it!

 

[blumeeni]

Er Pete,I've had the front let go once a few months ago on a warm day,
right hander just started to drizzle although the road didn't look wet.
Stan was in front of me I went in faster and deeper than him and turned the blke a bit quick.It put the shits up me as it slid then gripped in a flash of an eye.
This was the first time I'd ever had this happen with the front avon.
In all fairness it was more my fault than the tyre.
We've just come back from a ride cold conditions shit on the roads a few iffy moments here and there,we adjusted our riding to suit.
I've just ordered another rear to replace the one on now with just over 4000m
It will prolly go another thou if I'm lucky .
This is the way I see it with the Avon's
In the dry I luv um
In the wet when it's raining proper like they're ok
When the roads are damp --nearly wet they are (for me anyway) crap but I adjust my riding to suit.
I get better miles and smiles than any other tyre I've had on the bird (and I've tried a few)
Sooooooooo I think that if you've not tried them don't be put off by the things you've read on here from other's including myself give em a go and make your own mind up.
Yes your right Pete the Rear never has let go to the extent that I've come off and always seems to hook up again is this called feedback if so it's feeding my bowel movement :loo:

 

[stan the man]

had new rear fitted yesterday,and as blu has mentioned did about 85-90 miles
on it today.....some nice twisties[most fecked up by cage drivers on road :bang: ]and no problems for me at all.roads were dry-ish where the sun could get at it,and damp where sheltered by trees etc...lets be honest here,surely one doesn't expect to ride the way one does in the summer when the roads are in good[as in warm,no salt,crap from farmers fields and tyres getting up to temp etc]condition,and then ride as hard in the winter when the roads are a feckin nightmare as much as you'd see moto GP riders lap times get worse if conditions deteriorate...why? because if they did ride as hard,they'd be up shit creek without a paddle :dunno:

 

[blumeeni]

Wots all this (one expects shit you posh twat)
You on the cardi again man8um

 

[stan the man]

Wots all this (one expects shit you posh twat)
You on the cardi again man8um

not posh pete,i can bullshit as good as anyone when required......old chap :}
drank all the cardi other night so it's hot choc and biscuits for me :xm

 

[blumeeni]

not posh pete,i can bullshit as good as anyone when required......old chap :}
drank all the cardi other night so it's hot choc and biscuits for me :xm

You'll be getting a bm next

 

[stan the man]

You'll be getting a bm next

your getting carried away now pete...ain't ya :t

 

[RHINO]

OK, lets cut the crap here.. For me i choose the B/stone 010 for general day to day blatting about and riding hard BUT i do not get the mileage from them that i did from my AVON's.
I would seriously consider having a spare set of rims shod with the new AVON Vipers for when i go touring but again for general blasting about i will stick to my tried, tested and very much liked BT010's (which i'm told are NOT for the Bird but never ever slipped, wobbled or gave scary moments).
The problem i had was comparing the Avons to my sticky 010's hence the bike felt totally different to before.

 

[Mozza]

ok, here goes nothing !!!!

i decided to have a blast up to millenium with my mate today to give the bird a good ride. one thing i can report is, no matter what you say, the avon av45/46 on THIS bike are totally shite. end of. whilst on the motorway i decided to have a bit of a play with the bird. sat at 80, knocked it down 2, brought the revs up to 5000rpm, twisted the throttle and hey presto, sat at same speed but rear span up, with the revs showing 9000 rpm. whilst this brought a huge grin to my face feeling the bird slide gently, it also made me think what if this was mid bend, power though the bend and get the same result, ?????? fooking hope not.
so then i thought maybe it is crap on the motorway, so to be fair i waited until i exited the motorway ( after riding at 80mph for the past 22 miles) and filtered through st helens. first roundabout, dropped it in, front felt great, fettled the throttle and wheeeeeey, slippy sliddy again. granted it did not go to spit me off, but if i had not backed of from what i felt was normal throttle control, then maybe i would be telling mickyb that a new fairing was required.
so to recap, a total of 53 miles travelled, at an average speed of 80 mph. throughout the whole trip, the back was still spinning up. even after a 3 mile blast at ?????? mph, i backed off, got it to 70 mph, knocked it down 1 gear, blipped the throttle and wheeeeey, grin on my face as she light up faster than a christmas tree set of lights.
so to sum it up, in my opinion i have tried to be fair in my judgement, but the AV45/46 is not really my cup of tea. of course i cannot compair it to the bridgestone bt010's it is a totally different tyre, it's not a sports tyre that much i am aware of hence the cheap price for a set. but i cannot understand how a tyre, after a good hard ride to generate heat in them, can still loose traction so easily, be it on the motorway, or a good, clean A road.
like i said before, just my opinion, freedom of speech and choice etc etc etc.
maybe this tyre comes good in better warmer conditions, ie summer. but a winter tyre, nah !!!!!
cheers lads
Kirkm1

 

[RHINO]

I've NEVER had it let go in the dry, only in wet conditions. Its not spat me off due to the fact that as soon as it starts to break out i back off and also i do have very quick reactions and a sense of feeling through my fat arse..
I do regulate my speed to conditions, i've been driving 17 years, racing on 'OVAL CIRCUIT' for 7 years (wet 'n' dry conditions) and riding BIG bikes for 5 yrs + Moto X YZ490 for a couple so yes i can tell when its gonna go..
I'm not as green as maybe i come across sometimes so please give me some credit. I have settled my point about them, i cannot light the rear up in the dry just off the throttle, i have tried but could not do it. Oh so many times in the wet it has made me warey of it and it doesn't fill me with great confidence. The front tyre is a total contrast to the rear in that it has NEVER given so much as a twitter in the rain or shine,,,,weird weird weird..
As for mileage, its now done a shade under 9K since May on the same pair.

 

[OzCrow]

Holy crap guys, this thread is getting way out of control. Tyres are a personal thing and the debate on which tyre is the best will never end.

Avons are virtually unheard of in the colonies so I've not come across any feedback on these tyres except here on this forum. We don't have Bird specific tyres here either, well not that I'm aware of. :dunno: My '04 Bird came with OEM D205's which I thought were absolute shit. I chucked them well before they were shot and now run Michy Pilot Powers which I find to be an excellent tyre in ALL conditions although wear is not quite as good as a touring tyre, but hey they grip like the proverbial shit to a blanket and that's the most important thing for me in a tyre. I've tried different tyres (D207, BT010, BT020, Pilot Sport, Pilot Road) on my previous bike (VFR) and always found the Michelins suited me the best.

There will always be differing opinions on tyres so try other brands/types of tyres and judge for yourself which tyre you like. Listen to what others say but make your own judgement. When you find the tyre that best suits your riding/weather conditions etc stick with it. I'm really surprised so many run the Avons, is it because everyone recommends them because they like them or because you like them? :dunno:

Anyway that's just my little theory on tyres...I'll crawl back to me hole now...