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You'll Hate this Proposed new bike licence rules

Jaws

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Instead of actively trying to promote jam busting motorbikes we are gonna suffer more biased legislation

At the moment a person does a CBT, then theory, then practical

The DVSA are going to introduce a change.

Theory test then CBT then another theory test then a practical test..

Of course this is the MINIMUM amount of tests a person must do

If you start riding at 16, it is quite possible that you end up doing SEVEN tests to gain a full, unrestricted bike licence OVER an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD

In the mean time, a 17 year old with a rich daddy can pass a theory test, a practical test ( in a 900cc shopping trolley ) and go jump straight in a Veyron

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Cougar377

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Right...down tools, everyone out...! Strike action is the only way to change legislation.
I won't ride a bike until they see sense.

Oh wait....that's exactly what the bastids want. :(

Why the feck isn't the motorcyle industry being more vocal about stuff like this..?
 

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Maybe the argument might be that riding a motorcycle takes a higher level of knowledge/awareness and concentration than driving a car?

Or that maybe the risks associated with riding a motorbike are significantly higher than driving a car?

I know there is the counter argument that the biggest danger to motorcyclists is other road users....but you can be stupid in a car and probably get away with it, if you are stupid on a bike it is going to hurt, or worse.

As an aside, Personal opinion - letting anyone on the road at 16 is asking for trouble. I remember what I was like at sixteen......
 

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I know this will bring out the haters but...they should bring in a CBT of some sort for cycling.

The "voted most likely to find themselves in A&E" road users by far are on pushbikes....and sadly it's not just kids.
 

Squag1

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I know this will bring out the haters but...they should bring in a CBT of some sort for cycling.

The "voted most likely to find themselves in A&E" road users by far are on pushbikes....and sadly it's not just kids.
Definitely- and a cure for colour blindness, particularly correction for the red spectrum.
 

T.C

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The DSA, DVSA, DoT and the whole lot of them have always been hypocrites.

They are not fit for purpose

When I did my CBT instructor course just before it was introduced in 1989, it was made clear that if CBT proved successful for bikes it would be introduced for car drivers as well.

What happened? Someone mentioned that there are more voting car drivers than there were bike riders and so it was quickly dropped and the idea was swept under the carpet.

I was one of those that was going to be examining drivers for the proposed 10 yearly re-test. Again, someone mentioned the term vote loser and it was quickly dropped.

Unfortunately there are not enough of us bike riders to be able to make the same threat and take positive action at the polling booth, we are just seen as an easy target.
 

Jaws

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The DSA, DVSA, DoT and the whole lot of them have always been hypocrites.

They are not fit for purpose

When I did my CBT instructor course just before it was introduced in 1989, it was made clear that if CBT proved successful for bikes it would be introduced for car drivers as well.

What happened? Someone mentioned that there are more voting car drivers than there were bike riders and so it was quickly dropped and the idea was swept under the carpet.

I was one of those that was going to be examining drivers for the proposed 10 yearly re-test. Again, someone mentioned the term vote loser and it was quickly dropped.

Unfortunately there are not enough of us bike riders to be able to make the same threat and take positive action at the polling booth, we are just seen as an easy target.
There ARE enough of us if we make a lot of noise

How many French farmers are there ?
Not that many, yet when they get the hump about something it gets sorted because they make noise.

Unfortunately it is not numbers we are short of but commitment
Brits have always been really good at complaining and equally good at sitting on our hands
We have been treated like 2nd, nay 3rd class citizens since the dark ages,
The ruling class rule and we, the plebs, have accepted the crap for so many years ( and I talking HUNDREDS here ) we generally just ring our hands together and say woe is me.
 

T.C

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There ARE enough of us if we make a lot of noise

Maybe, (I am not dissagreeing with you) but that still does not get away from the fact that there is a lot of complacency as everyone else will think it is some elses job to do the complaining.
 

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When I bought my first bike (125cc) I bought the bike, helmet, jacket, trousers, boots and everything else I needed from a Gilera dealer. I had to travel by public transport to pick the bike up, which included a 'free' CBT.

The CBT didn't achieve anything to my mind, certainly didn't teach me anything, even as a totally inexperienced rider, and hey, guess what, surprise surprise I passed.

Possibly something to do with the fact that I wouldn't be buying the bike if I didn't. Possibly?

Absolute farce.
 

Jaws

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When I bought my first bike (125cc) I bought the bike, helmet, jacket, trousers, boots and everything else I needed from a Gilera dealer. I had to travel by public transport to pick the bike up, which included a 'free' CBT.

The CBT didn't achieve anything to my mind, certainly didn't teach me anything, even as a totally inexperienced rider, and hey, guess what, surprise surprise I passed.

Possibly something to do with the fact that I wouldn't be buying the bike if I didn't. Possibly?

Absolute farce.
When I first got a bike on the road ( a 250 RE ) training consisted of a mate showing me what all stuff did.. and that was it
 

T.C

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When I bought my first bike (125cc) I bought the bike, helmet, jacket, trousers, boots and everything else I needed from a Gilera dealer. I had to travel by public transport to pick the bike up, which included a 'free' CBT.

The CBT didn't achieve anything to my mind, certainly didn't teach me anything, even as a totally inexperienced rider, and hey, guess what, surprise surprise I passed.

Possibly something to do with the fact that I wouldn't be buying the bike if I didn't. Possibly?

Absolute farce.

Before CBT came in in December 1989 we had the Part 1 test and before thatthe old RAC/ACU scheme.

The part 1 test worked well. Riders had good slow speed riding abilities and balance, they were competent on the brakes, they knoew where and when to do observations, but best of all we could retain their certificate until they came back and completed the road riding element meaning that 90% left us with a very good chance of passing the then test 1st time.

But of course the part 1 was intended and aimed at riders already on the road wherea CBT was intended for absolute beginners/novices

The concept of CBT was right, it was the content and application that let it down. There was in the first couple of years a drastic reduction in the accident rate with novice riders mainly because training schools were contientious, but as the novelty wore off and DSA started changing the rules, more and more corners got cut and elements ignored, for example the 2 hours out on road.

CBT ceased to be fit for purpose a long time ago, and it really needs a complete revamp. Schools also need to be policed better. DVSA need to police things properly.

Neither is going to happen, they will just continue to add more regulation
 

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I got into instructing for a few reasons but mainly to try & stop just a few making the same mistakes that I did as a kid with no formal training & hopefully I achieved that

TC's post tells you exactly why I got out a few years later, the concept was good & it worked with responsible instructors for the first few years but standards dropped dramatically after that & now its become a money maker rather than a useful way of saving lives
 
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T.C

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I got into instructing for a few reasons but mainly to try & stop just a few making the same mistakes that I did as a kid with no formal training & hopefully I achieved that

TC's post tells you exactly why I got out a few years later, the concept was good & it worked with responsible instructors for the first few years but standards dropped dramatically after that & now its become a money maker rather than a useful way of saving lives


Exactly the reason I got out as well, and I know many seasoned very experienced instructors got out for the same reasons.

DSA weren't bothered because they were still making money from the sale of DL196 certificates and were/have been kept gainfully employed running instructor brainwashing courses
 

Jaws

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Maybe, (I am not dissagreeing with you) but that still does not get away from the fact that there is a lot of complacency as everyone else will think it is some elses job to do the complaining.
No, not disagreeing with me... You have said EXACTLY what I meant Tony (y)(y)
 
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